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  • Wall Street Has a $1 Trillion Climate Risk

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    • Okay... The Greenies get their way and impose a "carbon tax" and it crashes the economy. What's new there? It's not as if the Left hasn't been destroying societies, wrecking economies, and killing millions doing it in the past. They have. In fact, it's the sort of people calling loudest for the "New Green Deal" that have proven more destructive to humanity than war, poverty, and disease have.

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      • Source : Bloomberg Green

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        • Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post

          Okay... The Greenies get their way and impose a "carbon tax" and it crashes the economy. What's new there? It's not as if the Left hasn't been destroying societies, wrecking economies, and killing millions doing it in the past. They have. In fact, it's the sort of people calling loudest for the "New Green Deal" that have proven more destructive to humanity than war, poverty, and disease have.
          thoughtful point.
          Somehow , there has to be a ferreting out of the fast buck operators from the honest long term capital investments. You can't cripple the second chasing the first.
          The trout who swims against the current gets the most oxygen..

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          • Originally posted by marktwain View Post

            thoughtful point.
            Somehow , there has to be a ferreting out of the fast buck operators from the honest long term capital investments. You can't cripple the second chasing the first.
            You advocate for and get pushed into society what works, and that is N2N+H. That is, natural gas to replace coal and oil in energy generation, and nuclear to replace coal and oil then move to liquid hydrogen as a portable fuel using fuel cell vehicles. You largely abandon useless solar and almost as bad wind as energy producers.

            Yes, that would make hair-on-fire for the Leftist environmental movement but then again, they're just idiots and myopic morons so they should be ignored.

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            • Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post

              You advocate for and get pushed into society what works, and that is N2N+H. That is, natural gas to replace coal and oil in energy generation, and nuclear to replace coal and oil then move to liquid hydrogen as a portable fuel using fuel cell vehicles. You largely abandon useless solar and almost as bad wind as energy producers.

              Yes, that would make hair-on-fire for the Leftist environmental movement but then again, they're just idiots and myopic morons so they should be ignored.
              they have a , well, almost generational genetic ability to ignore common sense in favor of sloganeering..the latest in Calgary is Cannabis shops are taking down the federally mandated signage on their store windows since BLOCKING THE VIEW LINES ENCOURAGES THIEVES TO HIDE IN THE STORE, ROBBING THE CANNABIS THEN SELLING IT ON THE STREET....

              i CAN SEE A FUTURE FOR RENEWABLES, PROPERLY DONE- but I agree on fitting into what works. First.
              The trout who swims against the current gets the most oxygen..

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              • Originally posted by marktwain View Post

                they have a , well, almost generational genetic ability to ignore common sense in favor of sloganeering..the latest in Calgary is Cannabis shops are taking down the federally mandated signage on their store windows since BLOCKING THE VIEW LINES ENCOURAGES THIEVES TO HIDE IN THE STORE, ROBBING THE CANNABIS THEN SELLING IT ON THE STREET....

                i CAN SEE A FUTURE FOR RENEWABLES, PROPERLY DONE- but I agree on fitting into what works. First.
                Solar will never be economically viable on a large scale. It is simply too inefficient and unpredictable to be used as a major source of electrical generation. There's zero ways around that. Wind is a bit better, but it too is inefficient.

                Natural gas is very efficient and better, it is renewable. You can make it from algae and animal waste among other methods. Nuclear is the way to go for mass amounts of energy at a low price. It too is somewhat renewable as you can make more fuel than you use by adding a breeder component to it.

                Hydrogen is the way to go on portables. It is clean, renewable, and as portable as gasoline. Battery cars are really dinosaurs. Edison tried them as "the future" in the 1910's and they went nowhere. Tesla has survived as long as it has much like Bernie Madoff did: By being very large. The bigger a Ponzi scheme is the longer it takes to collapse.

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                • What are the safest sources of energy?

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                  • Add that solar isn't all that environmentally friendly...

                    Large-scale solar power plants raise local temperatures, creating a solar heat island effect that, though much smaller, is similar to that created by urban or industrial areas, according to a new study.
                    https://phys.org/news/2016-11-solar-...ale-power.html

                    Maricopa County officials expect toxic emissions from the $2 billion
                    Solana concentrated-solar plant
                    near Gila Bend to continue despite a record $1.5 million fine for air-quality violations.
                    https://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news...ntinue-8693310

                    That's the largest fine Arizona has ever levied for an environmental quality violation...

                    https://www.wired.com/2016/05/huge-s...east-problems/

                    The BrightSource Ivanpah Solar Electric Generating Facility, which uses 320,000 mirrors to create thermal energy, still qualifies under state rules as an alternative energy source, despite using about 1.4 billion cubic feet of natural gas a year, according to a
                    report by the Press Telegram.
                    https://www.breitbart.com/local/2017...l-fuel-burner/
                    [COLOR=var(--primaryTextColor)]Reporting from NIPTON, Calif. — [/COLOR]

                    A macabre fireworks show unfolds each day along I-15 west of Las Vegas, as birds fly into concentrated beams of sunlight and are instantly incinerated, leaving wisps of white smoke against the blue desert sky.
                    Workers at the Ivanpah Solar Plant have a name for the spectacle: “Streamers.”
                    And the image-conscious owners of the 390-megawatt plant say they are trying everything they can think of to stop the slaughter.
                    Federal biologists say about 6,000 birds die from collisions or immolation annually while chasing flying insects around the facility’s three 40-story towers, which catch sunlight from five square miles of garage-door-size mirrors to drive the plant’s power-producing turbines.
                    https://www.latimes.com/local/califo...nap-story.html

                    If you live where it snows, this could be you, and you better hope you have natural gas heating your home...


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                      • Texas leads the US in wind power — and now it’s ramping up solar, too

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                        • Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                          Add that solar isn't all that environmentally friendly...


                          https://phys.org/news/2016-11-solar-...ale-power.html


                          https://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news...ntinue-8693310

                          That's the largest fine Arizona has ever levied for an environmental quality violation...

                          https://www.wired.com/2016/05/huge-s...east-problems/



                          https://www.breitbart.com/local/2017...l-fuel-burner/
                          [COLOR=var(--primaryTextColor)]Reporting from NIPTON, Calif. — [/COLOR]





                          https://www.latimes.com/local/califo...nap-story.html

                          If you live where it snows, this could be you, and you better hope you have natural gas heating your home...

                          The trout who swims against the current gets the most oxygen..

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                          • National Security Experts Call for Eliminating Greenhouse Gas Emissions

                            Not really new. There have been previous reports expressing concern over security risks related to climate change. I believe the Pentagon released something as far back as the 90's, but can't find the link.

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                            • Originally posted by DingBat View Post
                              National Security Experts Call for Eliminating Greenhouse Gas Emissions

                              Not really new. There have been previous reports expressing concern over security risks related to climate change. I believe the Pentagon released something as far back as the 90's, but can't find the link.
                              Hopefully they start with their own emissions and cease exhaling CO2
                              TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch

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