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  • Discourses of Climate Delay

    Edit: A post discussing the discourses by one of the authors

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    • Climate Explainer: “If humans had not contributed to greenhouses gases in any way at all, what would the global temperature be today…”


      David Middleton / 2 weeks ago June 25, 2020
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      As can be seen in TS.23 (b), according to the IPCC, the human contribution to global temperatures was insignificant before 1975.

      This is the cover of the March 1, 1975 Science News magazine:
      Figure 2. Science News March 1, 1975
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      The stabilization of atmospheric CO2 concentration during the 1940s and 1950s is a notable feature in the ice core record. The new high density measurements confirm this result and show that CO2 concentrations stabilized at 310–312 ppm from ~1940–1955. The CH4 and N2O growth rates also decreased during this period, although the N2O variation is comparable to the measurement uncertainty. Smoothing due to enclosure of air in the ice (about 10 years at DE08) removes high frequency variations from the record, so the true atmospheric variation may have been larger than represented in the ice core air record. Even a decrease in the atmospheric CO2 concentration during the mid-1940s is consistent with the Law Dome record and the air enclosure smoothing, suggesting a large additional sink of ~3.0 PgC yr-1 [Trudinger et al., 2002a]. The d13CO2 record during this time suggests that this additional sink was mostly oceanic and not caused by lower fossil emissions or the terrestrial biosphere [Etheridge et al., 1996; Trudinger et al., 2002a]. The processes that could cause this response are still unknown.
      ...
      Greenhouse gases can’t trap heat that’s not there. Despite increasing greenhouse gas emissions, the mid-20th century cooling was so pronounced, that atmospheric CO2 stopped rising, possibly even declined, for at least a decade,
      Figure 5. HadCRUT4 global mean temperature anomaly (1944-1978). Y-axis is ℃. Wood For Trees
      No one really knows what caused the mid-20th century cooling. Some have attributed it to aerosol pollution, and some have linked it to oceanic circulation. However, it is clear that rising CO2 emissions, not only didn’t prevent it, but the cooling likely enabled the oceans to absorb all of our emissions for over a decade.
      ....
      https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/06/...ture-be-today/

      For those interested in the counter-point to the unsettled science ...
      https://wattsupwiththat.com/author/debunkhouse/

      & https://debunkhouse.wordpress.com/
      TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch

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      • For those interested in the counter-point to the unsettled science ...
        https://wattsupwiththat.com/author/debunkhouse/

        & https://debunkhouse.wordpress.com/
        Yup, make up your own minds.

        Watts Up with That - Media Bias/Fact Check

        SourceWatch Summary of Anthony Watts

        Anthony Watts page at the Heartland Institute

        And since it's directly pertinent: Guest post: How ‘discourses of delay’ are used to slow climate action

        Bottom line: Watts is a paid shill, and not a very good one, for industry.

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        • Climate Denial Spreads on Facebook as Scientists Face Restrictions

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          • Biggest cause and source of mis-information (deception) is frequent omission to precede with either the "natural" or "anthropogenic"(human caused) descriptive qualifiers, ahead of "climate".

            Most "denial"/dispute is with regard to the "human caused" component/factor.
            TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch

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            • Originally posted by G David Bock View Post

              Biggest cause and source of mis-information (deception) is frequent omission to precede with either the "natural" or "anthropogenic"(human caused) descriptive qualifiers, ahead of "climate".

              Most "denial"/dispute is with regard to the "human caused" component/factor.
              Sadly, this actually represents progress. Ten years ago, the deniers would still be arguing "it's not happening".

              This follows the pattern of previous industry funded, product defense campaigns. Once the easiest lines of defense become impossible to defend any longer (at least without inviting ridicule) then there's always the good old standby: "The science isn't settled".

              On the bright side, there's yet to be an industry that's won this kind of campaign. All it does is drag out the process. Smart industries use the time gained to fix their product or develop new alternatives. Fossil fuels are a little stuck, in that regard. But there are already signs of traditional fossil fuel companies mentioning diversifying into "energy" companies. I guess those are the smart ones.

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              • Two-Thirds of Americans Think Government Should Do More on Climate

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                • Climate Lawsuits Are Coming for Koch Industries

                  I don't really recommend the writer of this article. I've included this only as it's the first action that's directly been taken against Koch Industries. Koch Industries funds a plethora of "think tanks" and groups involved in attacking government regulatory efforts, including climate change science.

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                  • Originally posted by DingBat View Post

                    Sadly, this actually represents progress. Ten years ago, the deniers would still be arguing "it's not happening".

                    This follows the pattern of previous industry funded, product defense campaigns. Once the easiest lines of defense become impossible to defend any longer (at least without inviting ridicule) then there's always the good old standby: "The science isn't settled".

                    On the bright side, there's yet to be an industry that's won this kind of campaign. All it does is drag out the process. Smart industries use the time gained to fix their product or develop new alternatives. Fossil fuels are a little stuck, in that regard. But there are already signs of traditional fossil fuel companies mentioning diversifying into "energy" companies. I guess those are the smart ones.
                    This was my position more than ten years ago, so sadly it's representative of the ad homium and disinformation common to those advancing the anthropogenic agenda. Keep moving the goal posts.

                    If I'm industry funded, I'm still waiting for the check. However, science is about precision and when one argues for a particular political agenda masking as "science" and stoops to the old "denier" canard, it's a good bet they haven't much to stand on. Carbon resource industry ( a more accurate term than "fossil fuel", since not all carbon resources are "fossil") isn't the only industry funding the debate on ACC/AGW. There are numerous industries and environmental PACs (a.k.a. lobbyists ) seeing a great way to gouge the consumer$ and taxpayer$ with pseudoscience solutions and "save the planet" propaganda.

                    BTW, do you know where most of the plastics and other synthetics come from?

                    Biggest sign that much of this is phony is that it's advocates don't live the lifestyle that matches their rhetoric.

                    BTW, care to guess what 99.9% of the life on this planet NEEDS Carbon dioxide - CO2 to live ?
                    300 ppm(dry) bare covers the minimum for some. 400ppm(dry) is starting to hit their low end optimum.

                    The pro ACC/AGW advocates are the anti-life sorts.
                    TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch

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                    • New Jersey Scientific Report on Climate Change

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                      • Originally posted by G David Bock View Post

                        Biggest cause and source of mis-information (deception) is frequent omission to precede with either the "natural" or "anthropogenic"(human caused) descriptive qualifiers, ahead of "climate".

                        Most "denial"/dispute is with regard to the "human caused" component/factor.
                        Agree entirely.
                        "Chatfield, there seems to be something wrong with our bloody ships today!"
                        Vice Admiral Beatty to Flag Captain Chatfield; Battle of Jutland, 31 May - 1 June, 1916.

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                        • Global trends in climate change litigation: 2020 snapshot

                          Climate change litigation has been growing in importance over the past three decades as a way of either advancing or delaying effective action on climate change. This report reviews key developments around the world in climate litigation over the period May 2019 to May 2020, in the latest in our annual series.

                          The report highlights evolving themes and strategies, including an updated assessment of known case numbers and metrics for categorising cases. It explores the continued and growing focus in climate cases on human rights and the different strategies used in recent litigation against major fossil fuel companies. It also offers insights and suggestions for how litigants and policymakers could measure the impacts of climate litigation.

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                          • 36,000 Weather Stations Confirm It: Extreme Heat And Rain Are Happening More Often

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                            • China to build 6 to 8 nuclear reactors a year from 2020 to 2025: Report

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