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  • Originally posted by G David Bock View Post


    Unfurling The Waste Problem Caused By Wind Energy
    September 10, 2019
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    https://www.npr.org/2019/09/10/75937...by-wind-energy
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    Wind Turbine Blades Can’t Be Recycled, So They’re Piling Up in Landfills
    Companies are searching for ways to deal with the tens of thousands of blades that have reached the end of their lives.
    By
    February 5, 2020 ...
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    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/featu...p-in-landfills
    Hmmm- has anyone considered using the blades for shed siding?
    The trout who swims against the current gets the most oxygen..

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      • Originally posted by marktwain View Post

        Hmmm- has anyone considered using the blades for shed siding?
        That will take quite a bit more cutting and shipping expense.
        Did you check the pictures in the link?

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        • Originally posted by G David Bock View Post

          That will take quite a bit more cutting and shipping expense.
          Did you check the pictures in the link?
          yes I did.
          No, It wouldn't.
          We are talking about shed siding to keep out weather. Saw off the hubstubs, fill with insulation, lay alternate butt- like a small log log cabin.
          The trout who swims against the current gets the most oxygen..

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          • Attribution of the Australian bushfire risk to anthropogenic climate change

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            • Originally posted by marktwain View Post

              yes I did.
              No, It wouldn't.
              We are talking about shed siding to keep out weather. Saw off the hubstubs, fill with insulation, lay alternate butt- like a small log log cabin.
              Well, there remains the costs of cutting to size that is usable and transporting expense,
              image_1-edit-013420349d0e6a9bb08e0fc82f0843400a763548-s800-c85.jpg


              then the rather awkward fitting ...
              For those whom have yet to get a visual ...

              1400x-1.jpg

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              • Originally posted by DingBat View Post
                From a far than objective source/analysis; seeking further funding$

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                  • Originally posted by G David Bock View Post

                    Well, there remains the costs of cutting to size that is usable and transporting expense,
                    image_1-edit-013420349d0e6a9bb08e0fc82f0843400a763548-s800-c85.jpg


                    then the rather awkward fitting ...
                    For those whom have yet to get a visual ...

                    1400x-1.jpg
                    Plastic... At least it isn't in the ocean... (and yes, fiberglass is a form of thermosetting plastic).

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                    • Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post

                      Plastic... At least it isn't in the ocean... (and yes, fiberglass is a form of thermosetting plastic).
                      Hey, I agree.

                      About 20+ years ago the aerospace composite manufacturing firm where I was employed looked into making blades at that time. We found that there would be huge amounts of production surplus waste material and extreme laor costs in wages and benefits to make such blades.

                      This is what is not correctly calculated in figures presented by the LW Loonies as they fail to adjust the low labor costs(near slavery) in developing nations into an equivalent Western level which combined with a lower than expected useful lifetime of performance, plus large disposal expense, makes these "renewable" alternatives hugely more expensive per Megawatt of electric power generated versus the systems they are replacing.

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                      • Originally posted by G David Bock View Post
                        This is what is not correctly calculated in figures presented by the LW Loonies as they fail to adjust the low labor costs(near slavery) in developing nations into an equivalent Western level which combined with a lower than expected useful lifetime of performance, plus large disposal expense, makes these "renewable" alternatives hugely more expensive per Megawatt of electric power generated versus the systems they are replacing.
                        That's why there is a levelized cost of energy measurement. Wind still wins.

                        Levelized Cost of Energy and Levelized Cost of Storage 2019

                        I have to admit it's kind of surreal to have a conversation about the waste material of wind, in a world of fossil fuels. I could probably dump every wind turbine blade ever built into a single tar sands mine and still have square miles of space to spare. I'm not even sure the LCOE considers subsidies to fossil fuel companies, which are huge in Canada, the costs of oil spills, or the fact that most oil companies skip out on their cleanup costs. Abandoned oil wells are becoming a huge liability in Alberta, some estimates surpassing $2bn. If the waste issue of wind is even within 2 orders of magnitude of the problem oil or coal has, I'd be surprised.

                        Everything humans do generates waste. I'm not volunteering to return to stone age living, so waste is inevitable. Renewables have their challenges, to be sure. But what they do have in their favor is free, unlimited fuel, the fuel isn't toxic, and consuming the fuel doesn't generate pollution or green house gases.

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                        • Originally posted by DingBat View Post

                          That's why there is a levelized cost of energy measurement. Wind still wins.

                          Levelized Cost of Energy and Levelized Cost of Storage 2019
                          You need to read that site better. Lazard says "Selected renewable energy technologies are cost-competitive with conventional generation technologies under certain circumstances"

                          (emphasis mine)

                          What the site does is compare the best performance of wind and solar against the average performance of conventional generation. They also leave out nuclear as if it doesn't exist. They also count in government subsidies for wind and solar versus unsubsidized conventional.

                          The problem is when you compare solar and wind to other forms of generation on a daily, monthly, or yearly average solar comes out just godawful expensive and inefficient, while wind comes close to being cost effective.

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                          • The trout who swims against the current gets the most oxygen..

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                            • Originally posted by DingBat View Post
                              No, it isn't. It was among the first things raised in our media coverage.
                              "Chatfield, there seems to be something wrong with our bloody ships today!"
                              Vice Admiral Beatty to Flag Captain Chatfield; Battle of Jutland, 31 May - 1 June, 1916.

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                              • The Keeling Curve

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