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  • Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post

    That works for me. The hydrogen fuel cell and liquid hydrogen will be the death of the battery car.
    Like many of these "alternatives", hydrogen requires far more energy to make than what it provides in use. If one has money and energy to waste, then hydrogen fuel cell could work in other than special applications.

    Low cost and high energy efficiency is why carbon resources remain a preferred fuel for motive energy.
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    • Originally posted by G David Bock View Post

      Like many of these "alternatives", hydrogen requires far more energy to make than what it provides in use. If one has money and energy to waste, then hydrogen fuel cell could work in other than special applications.

      Low cost and high energy efficiency is why carbon resources remain a preferred fuel for motive energy.
      But, this isn't a problem with nuclear power as it has the potential to provide so much power that it makes the conversion cost effective compared to drilling for and refining oil for gasoline. Right now, hydrogen isn't that attractive because the cost of energy to make it is mostly derived from coal and oil / natural gas. Solar and wind are even worse as they are horribly inefficient.

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      • Global-temperature-and-atmospheric-CO2-over-geological-time-600-mya-Aus-from-HIEB.jpg

        co2_temperature_historical.png?resize=768%2C546&ssl=1.png

        Many others at;
        https://www.google.com/search?q=glob...Iwwg-mjbT6QliM



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        • Originally posted by marktwain View Post

          OMG! G David Bock quoted against- g david bock?
          Out of context as usual ...

          Meanwhile, the 'gore-bots" still dodging how that 0.04% CO2 drives up temperature in the other 99.96% (Argon, O2, N2, etc.) rather than the 99.96% "suppressing" the 0.04%
          i.e. that ratio of 1 to 2,500 many either dodge or can't/won't explain.
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          Present Current Events are the Future's History

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          • Shell Exploring World’s Largest Green Hydrogen Project

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            • Climate adaptation expected to cost Canadian municipalities $5.3 billion annually: report

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              • 'Affordable, safe' nuclear power is key to reaching Canada's climate goals: federal minister

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                • Powered by hydrogen, Hyundai's trucks aim to conquer the Swiss Alps

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                  • JPMorgan increases restrictions on global coal funding

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                    • Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post

                      But, this isn't a problem with nuclear power as it has the potential to provide so much power that it makes the conversion cost effective compared to drilling for and refining oil for gasoline. Right now, hydrogen isn't that attractive because the cost of energy to make it is mostly derived from coal and oil / natural gas. Solar and wind are even worse as they are horribly inefficient.
                      Hydrogen still requires bulky, space consuming pressure tanks to store; which are an additional explosion hazard in vehicle collisions.

                      Carbon resources such as natural gas and petroleum are also used for a variety of man-made products; "plastics", synthetic fabrics, nylon, plus lubricants, paints, solvents, fertilizers, etc. I'm not aware of any viable alternatives to these uses of what are too often and misleadingly referred to as "fossil fuels".
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                      • Originally posted by G David Bock View Post

                        Hydrogen still requires bulky, space consuming pressure tanks to store; which are an additional explosion hazard in vehicle collisions.
                        It is no more bulky or space consuming than gasoline and can be delivered for vehicles in the same manner and same locations.



                        That's infinitely more practical than a parking lot full of these:



                        Carbon resources such as natural gas and petroleum are also used for a variety of man-made products; "plastics", synthetic fabrics, nylon, plus lubricants, paints, solvents, fertilizers, etc. I'm not aware of any viable alternatives to these uses of what are too often and misleadingly referred to as "fossil fuels".
                        I never suggested we end use of oil, natural gas, or even coal, for other uses. These would still be needed regardless of how we produce electricity and what cars run on. In fact, I'd expect gasoline and diesel to continue alongside hydrogen for decades at a minimum.

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                        • How did wind power just become America's biggest renewable energy?

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                          • Stupidity?
                            Ignorance?
                            Politics?

                            It couldn't be because of its efficiency and ROI...

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                            • Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post

                              Stupidity?
                              Ignorance?
                              Politics?

                              It couldn't be because of its efficiency and ROI...

                              Unfurling The Waste Problem Caused By Wind Energy
                              September 10, 2019
                              ...
                              https://www.npr.org/2019/09/10/75937...by-wind-energy
                              ....................

                              Wind Turbine Blades Can’t Be Recycled, So They’re Piling Up in Landfills
                              Companies are searching for ways to deal with the tens of thousands of blades that have reached the end of their lives.
                              By
                              February 5, 2020 ...
                              ...
                              https://www.bloomberg.com/news/featu...p-in-landfills
                              TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch
                              “War is merely the continuation of politics by other means” - von Clausewitz
                              Present Current Events are the Future's History

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