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  • Originally posted by panther3485 View Post
    I think there is room for a certain amount of debate.
    I believe the concept of green house gases is just basic physics. Physics that have been known for well over a century. So, I don't think there's a debate that its happening. I believe there's also a consilience of evidence that it's anthropogenic.

    Now, on the other hand, WHAT will be the effects and HOW do we deal with the problem? Sure, there's plenty of room for debate there.

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    • Climate change: Last decade confirmed as warmest on record

      https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-51111176

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      How to Talk to a Climate Skeptic: http://grist.org/series/skeptics/
      Global Warming & Climate Change Myths: https://www.skepticalscience.com/argument.php

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      • I dont get why people want to argue the toss. We are killing the planet, and with that ourselves. But the planet is tougher than we think. It is 4 billion years old and has seen at least 7 mass extinctions. It might need a million years to heal up, but it will be fine. We have maybe 200 years before we become a memory.

        We are nothing more than tool using apes mucking around with stuff we barely understand. It won't be something I will have to see, but I do weep for the little ones that will have to grow up and clean up the mess we have left.
        Matthew 5:9 Blessed are the cheesemakers

        That's right bitches. I'm blessed!

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        • Originally posted by Rojik View Post
          I dont get why people want to argue the toss. We are killing the planet, and with that ourselves. But the planet is tougher than we think. It is 4 billion years old and has seen at least 7 mass extinctions. It might need a million years to heal up, but it will be fine. We have maybe 200 years before we become a memory.

          We are nothing more than tool using apes mucking around with stuff we barely understand. It won't be something I will have to see, but I do weep for the little ones that will have to grow up and clean up the mess we have left.
          My argument is with the cause. I don't for a second buy the it's all anthropogenic CO2 argument that more and more is becoming the mantra for the Left in arguing that the world needs a Leftist-Socialist government. The planetary atmosphere / biosphere is far more complex than any modelling can describe.

          The short-term solution(s) that make sense the Left, and much of popular Gorebal Warming is adamantly against is shifting to natural gas from coal then to nuclear and producing liquid hydrogen as the portable fuel to be used in fuel cell cars. The Left's solution of solar, wind, and battery cars is not only myopic, it's idiotic. It ignores science, economics, societal mobility (eg., the ability to move from location to location), and limits personal freedom as a result.

          Whether you believe totally in climate change or are a skeptic, the N2N+H solution is one that makes economic sense in every case, while the Left's solution leads to economic and social ruin-- just as it always does.

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          • Originally posted by Rojik View Post
            I dont get why people want to argue the toss. We are killing the planet, and with that ourselves. But the planet is tougher than we think. It is 4 billion years old and has seen at least 7 mass extinctions. It might need a million years to heal up, but it will be fine. We have maybe 200 years before we become a memory.

            We are nothing more than tool using apes mucking around with stuff we barely understand. It won't be something I will have to see, but I do weep for the little ones that will have to grow up and clean up the mess we have left.
            The problem is that the climate change argument is an ideological argument disguised as a science argument.

            The people who deny climate change don't really deny the science. What they really fear is an erosion of the free market model and the onset of socialism/communism. Somehow, renewable energy is a socialist conspiracy. Large scale issues and the failure of industry/free market forces to deal with it leads to government regulation. Government regulation is Communism. And that's the whole ball game right there.

            The official playbook for this was created during the tobacco wars. "Doubt is our product". It was refined with DDT, acid rain, and CFC's. It's now fully weaponized with climate change.

            The link I posted yesterday referencing the announcement by BlackRock is an interesting departure from past cycles like this. If the financial institutions start to shift then it's going to be difficult to argue this is all a communist conspiracy.

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            • Originally posted by DingBat View Post

              The problem is that the climate change argument is an ideological argument disguised as a science argument.

              The people who deny climate change don't really deny the science. What they really fear is an erosion of the free market model and the onset of socialism/communism. Somehow, renewable energy is a socialist conspiracy. Large scale issues and the failure of industry/free market forces to deal with it leads to government regulation. Government regulation is Communism. And that's the whole ball game right there.

              The official playbook for this was created during the tobacco wars. "Doubt is our product". It was refined with DDT, acid rain, and CFC's. It's now fully weaponized with climate change.

              The link I posted yesterday referencing the announcement by BlackRock is an interesting departure from past cycles like this. If the financial institutions start to shift then it's going to be difficult to argue this is all a communist conspiracy.
              Agreed. Follow the money. At the end of the day that is where the truth is. But hey, shrills that believe get the govt out of our lives and hey this is what the govt says so it's all good rule
              Matthew 5:9 Blessed are the cheesemakers

              That's right bitches. I'm blessed!

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              • Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post

                My argument is with the cause. I don't for a second buy the it's all anthropogenic CO2 argument that more and more is becoming the mantra for the Left in arguing that the world needs a Leftist-Socialist government. The planetary atmosphere / biosphere is far more complex than any modelling can describe.

                The short-term solution(s) that make sense the Left, and much of popular Gorebal Warming is adamantly against is shifting to natural gas from coal then to nuclear and producing liquid hydrogen as the portable fuel to be used in fuel cell cars. The Left's solution of solar, wind, and battery cars is not only myopic, it's idiotic. It ignores science, economics, societal mobility (eg., the ability to move from location to location), and limits personal freedom as a result.

                Whether you believe totally in climate change or are a skeptic, the N2N+H solution is one that makes economic sense in every case, while the Left's solution leads to economic and social ruin-- just as it always does.
                Believe what you want. We will all be dead before anything really hits. Now can I put up a ref pic of some random quote to support my statemernt
                Matthew 5:9 Blessed are the cheesemakers

                That's right bitches. I'm blessed!

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                • Originally posted by DingBat View Post

                  The problem is that the climate change argument is an ideological argument disguised as a science argument.

                  The people who deny climate change don't really deny the science. What they really fear is an erosion of the free market model and the onset of socialism/communism. Somehow, renewable energy is a socialist conspiracy. Large scale issues and the failure of industry/free market forces to deal with it leads to government regulation. Government regulation is Communism. And that's the whole ball game right there.

                  The official playbook for this was created during the tobacco wars. "Doubt is our product". It was refined with DDT, acid rain, and CFC's. It's now fully weaponized with climate change.

                  The link I posted yesterday referencing the announcement by BlackRock is an interesting departure from past cycles like this. If the financial institutions start to shift then it's going to be difficult to argue this is all a communist conspiracy.
                  I agree. That is what it is - an ideological. I was a bad boy growing up. I still have Nazi tatts to prove it But I changed. A harsh change but it was what is was. The change taught me something - following anything blindly is a dead end street. Bad for the mind, bad for the body, but most of all bad for the soul.

                  So when I see these people sprouting BS because that is what their masters said I spew a little bit in my mouth. By all means disagree - I am the last person that should be an expert - but when they deny real science and still argue the point....
                  Matthew 5:9 Blessed are the cheesemakers

                  That's right bitches. I'm blessed!

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                  • PepsiCo to use 100% renewable energy in US operations

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                    • Budweiser Beer Made With Solar Energy, Thanks To A New Record Deal

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                      • Until the sun goes down and it's a calm day... Then they'll be using some hydrocarbon based fuel driven generator to make that power...

                        Bet they also find that solar and wind aren't cheap and plentiful like they were sold...

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                        • 2019 was 2nd hottest year on record for Earth say NOAA, NASA

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                          • At the end of the day, if it still works and the air is cleaner we are all the better off. Even if the climate change argument is never resolved, if companies move onto cleaner energy sources and still make a profit there's no denying that is a positive thing.
                            Petroleum cars won't go away in a hurry, that's fine... but with more EVs this will ensure oil reserves wont be wasted as quickly next time people need to use the Maccas drive thru. Coal needs to go, and that is already happening. Not as quick as we'd like but it's acknowledged as a high polluting alternative that has a limited future producing electricity. It's already becoming a low return investment due to alternative energy sources.
                            "In modern war... you will die like a dog for no good reason."
                            Ernest Hemingway.

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                            • Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post

                              My argument is with the cause. I don't for a second buy the it's all anthropogenic CO2 argument that more and more is becoming the mantra for the Left in arguing that the world needs a Leftist-Socialist government. The planetary atmosphere / biosphere is far more complex than any modelling can describe.

                              The short-term solution(s) that make sense the Left, and much of popular Gorebal Warming is adamantly against is shifting to natural gas from coal then to nuclear and producing liquid hydrogen as the portable fuel to be used in fuel cell cars. The Left's solution of solar, wind, and battery cars is not only myopic, it's idiotic. It ignores science, economics, societal mobility (eg., the ability to move from location to location), and limits personal freedom as a result.

                              Whether you believe totally in climate change or are a skeptic, the N2N+H solution is one that makes economic sense in every case, while the Left's solution leads to economic and social ruin-- just as it always does.
                              Coming from someone who thinks it perfectly fine to dump decommissioned nuclear reactors in the deep ocean.



                              "In modern war... you will die like a dog for no good reason."
                              Ernest Hemingway.

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