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  • Originally posted by DingBat View Post

    Since you seemed to have missed it the first time, this link demonstrates that what you are saying is out of date.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cost_o...city_by_source
    The problem with that is the market, the actual market and market prices say the opposite. The more solar and wind you have, the higher the cost per KWH to the consumer. Reality beats modelling and theories.

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    • Sorry, I meant climatologist... Mea Culpa.....

      For British correspondents- 'Edmonton' here means the spot on the map where two major highways cross, that we usually don't - name....
      Not the first tavern stop on the Edinborough coach north of London.....
      The trout who swims against the current gets the most oxygen..

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      • A post by marktwain containing a personal comment against another poster and a reply by Snowshoveler consisting of a juvenile response were removed.
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        • bad for them

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          • No difference for the rest-of-us. It's a truly meaningless gesture.

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            • Trump administration says it will approve largest U.S. solar farm

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              • A waste of money and precious resources.

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                • Originally posted by walle View Post

                  A waste of money and precious resources.
                  No kidding. A mere 690 MW for about 4 hours a day, and another 8 producing some fraction of that. While the capacity factor isn't given in the article my guess is it's around 24%. That means on a given "perfect" 24 hour day the plant puts out about 165 MW hours of electrical power. That's pretty typical for a solar plant in a good location.

                  But, when you compare that to a natural gas or nuclear plant, it's a crap output at an unreasonably high cost.



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                  • Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post

                    No kidding. A mere 690 MW for about 4 hours a day, and another 8 producing some fraction of that. While the capacity factor isn't given in the article my guess is it's around 24%. That means on a given "perfect" 24 hour day the plant puts out about 165 MW hours of electrical power. That's pretty typical for a solar plant in a good location.

                    But, when you compare that to a natural gas or nuclear plant, it's a crap output at an unreasonably high cost.


                    Highly inefficient for sure.

                    For solar to work optimally in the first place the climate needs to be cool (yes. cool, the panels perform best when they are cool) they need to be clean (good luck with keeping them clean long term) in addition to that they're also vulnerable to breaking down, sabotage, change in weather (i.e, climate) etc.

                    Solar power is stone age tech! It has no future, none what so ever.


                    ..and let's not forget it doesn't scale.

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                    • Originally posted by walle View Post

                      Highly inefficient for sure.

                      For solar to work optimally in the first place the climate needs to be cool (yes. cool, the panels perform best when they are cool) they need to be clean (good luck with keeping them clean long term) in addition to that they're also vulnerable to breaking down, sabotage, change in weather (i.e, climate) etc.

                      Solar power is stone age tech! It has no future, none what so ever.


                      ..and let's not forget it doesn't scale.
                      Solar power panels, in India, placed over canals cool the water, reducing evaporation loss.
                      the canal water makes an effective cleanser.

                      Narendra Modi, then Chief Minister of Gujarat, inaugurated a 1 Megawatt (MW) pilot project on 24 April 2012.[1] The project is situated on the Narmada branch canal near Chandrasan village of Kadi taluka in Mehsana district.

                      The pilot project will generate 1 MW[3][4] of clean energy per year and also prevent evaporation of 9,000,000 US gallons (34,000,000 litres; 7,500,000 imperial gallons) of water annually from the canal. The project virtually eliminates the requirement to acquire vast tracts of land and limits evaporation of water from the 750 metres (2,460 ft) long canal.[5] tackling two challenges simultaneously by providing energy and water security.[


                      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canal_Solar_Power_Project

                      And yes, its scalable.

                      The trout who swims against the current gets the most oxygen..

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                      • Trump to remove climate change factors from environmental laws around major infrastructure projects

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                        • Shutdown of Coal-Fired Plants in U.S. Saves Lives and Improves Crop Yields

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                          • A theoretical study by a true believer in Gorebal Warming gets published in an nothing magazine / website.

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                            • When you read about how these factors are to be included-- that is they are mostly based on SWAGPOOYA and projected out for decades, even centuries-- including them is more an exercise in statistics than anything valid



                              Why are we wasting the effort on trying to justify the unprovable?

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                              • Study Confirms Climate Models are Getting Future Warming Projections Right

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