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    Mary Landrieu: Last Senate Democrat loses in Deep South

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    With Mary Landrieu's defeat on Saturday in her bid to be re-elected to a US Senate seat in Louisiana, there will soon be no Democratic senators in office from the Deep South.

    In fact, Virginia and Florida are the only two states that were part of the 11-state Civil War Confederacy that have Democratic senators come January.

    This year's mid-term elections, in which three Southern Democratic incumbents lost, complete a long, slow decline of the once-dominant party to near irrelevancy in Dixie.

    Although it's a development that has led to a great deal of concern among party elders, the Daily Beast's Michael Tomasky says Democrats would be well served to write the region off, as it's not worth fighting over.

    "Practically the whole region has rejected nearly everything that's good about this country and has become just one big nuclear waste site of choleric, and extremely racialised, resentment," he says.

    ...

    The column has been greeted with a fair amount of criticism, particularly from the right.

    Robert Draper, a freelance writer for the New York Times and GQ, calls it "condescending … elitist and divisive". John Podhoretz of the conservative Commentary magazine wryly tweets: "Yes, it's always a good idea to shrink your party."
    BBC - Full Article

    Writing off any political arena can be a terrible decision, as it strengthens your opponents and allows them to focus more resources on the battleground states. What are the best choices for the Dems to regain significance in the Deep South? The threat of Hispanic voters to GOP hegemony has been foreseen for decades, although it is slow to realize itself. Can the Dems create a different paradigm for themselves to regain southern voters?

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    What an ignorant, ill-informed article.

    Addressing the least of its many (one might say complete) failings is that the Democrat Party of the Old South has more in common with the GOP today than does the DNP.

    In fact it has been commented on this very board that were he around today JFK would be a moderate Republican, not a Democrat.
    Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
      What an ignorant, ill-informed article.

      Addressing the least of its many (one might say complete) failings is that the Democrat Party of the Old South has more in common with the GOP today than does the DNP.

      In fact it has been commented on this very board that were he around today JFK would be a moderate Republican, not a Democrat.
      Well it was the BBC reporting on someone else's commentary, to be fair.

      One reason I found it interesting though is that the argument used is so very similar to what I've seen said by GOP supporters when they've lost presidential elections - that they have to focus on their "core supporters" and can't compromise on their ideology, that the reason they lost was because they weren't conservative enough, etc.

      So I wonder if we are going to see a similar approach from the left - if they will start digging in their heels and make it so neither party is capable of ideologically working with the opposite party.

      But the other part I wanted to raise was more about how the Democrats could win votes in the south again - I imagine that if they softened their social message (which do sound condescending to conservatives in the South) and focus on an economic message, they could make ground amongst the poor.

      However, the Democrats during the 50s and 60s were the "moderate" party and popular in the south not just because of resentment of the Republicans (a holdover from the Civil War) but because the Democrats had to balance a party between the liberal urban wings and the more conservative rural branches in the south. As it's shed its southern voters, it's been left a more liberal party based around large urban centers. Can it create a message that appeals across the nation?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Daemon of Decay View Post
        Well it was the BBC reporting on someone else's commentary, to be fair.

        One reason I found it interesting though is that the argument used is so very similar to what I've seen said by GOP supporters when they've lost presidential elections - that they have to focus on their "core supporters" and can't compromise on their ideology, that the reason they lost was because they weren't conservative enough, etc.

        So I wonder if we are going to see a similar approach from the left - if they will start digging in their heels and make it so neither party is capable of ideologically working with the opposite party.

        But the other part I wanted to raise was more about how the Democrats could win votes in the south again - I imagine that if they softened their social message (which do sound condescending to conservatives in the South) and focus on an economic message, they could make ground amongst the poor.

        However, the Democrats during the 50s and 60s were the "moderate" party and popular in the south not just because of resentment of the Republicans (a holdover from the Civil War) but because the Democrats had to balance a party between the liberal urban wings and the more conservative rural branches in the south. As it's shed its southern voters, it's been left a more liberal party based around large urban centers. Can it create a message that appeals across the nation?
        Keep in mind that the Southern Democrats of the 50s and 60s were far to the right of the national party. It was only the legacy of the ACW that kept the GOP at bay, and that only for so long.

        The DNP can't 'soften' its creed far enough, a evidenced by the recent election. The South is getting graphic lessons in that party's failings as jobs pour south from the blue states.

        Even Massachusetts elected a GOP candidate to replace the late & unlamented murderous drunk that was Teddy Kennedy.

        In order to gain a broader appeal they need to jettison the old guard liberal America-hating leftists like Pelosi, and move towards the center.
        Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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        • #5
          The DNC threw her under the bus by cutting all funding they would have used for the usual attack ads when it became clear that they had lost control of the Senate.

          Politics as usual for them.
          “Breaking News,”

          “Something irrelevant in your life just happened and now we are going to blow it all out of proportion for days to keep you distracted from what's really going on.”

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          • #6
            Originally posted by SRV Ron View Post
            The DNC threw her under the bus by cutting all funding they would have used for the usual attack ads when it became clear that they had lost control of the Senate.

            Politics as usual for them.
            Well, no point in backing a loser, after all. With their blue state economies failing, funding isn't that easy to come by.
            Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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            • #7
              The author of that article is two things:

              1. A Leftist.

              2. Everything he claims the opposition is.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                The author of that article is two things:

                1. A Leftist.

                2. Everything he claims the opposition is.
                Succinct & accurate.
                Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                  The author of that article is two things:

                  1. A Leftist.

                  2. Everything he claims the opposition is.
                  That is perhaps true, but whomever wrote that piece for BBC has proven himself to be one thing: extremely lazy. Mary Landrieu lost not a national election, but a Louisiana election. That this clown doesn't think for one second to ask how Louisiana issues played in this election proves his sloth in spades.

                  She is the daughter of Moon Landrieu, former New Orleans mayor and Secretary of the United States Department of Housing and Urban Development, and the sister of Mitch Landrieu, the current Mayor of New Orleans and former Lieutenant Governor of Louisiana.

                  Wikipedia
                  Could it be that Mary Landrieu's association with the notoriously corrupt, inefficient, and hyperbole-prone New Orleans machine is what did in her candidacy, and not merely the "D" next to her name? Was not Tip O'Neill correct when he observed that "all politics are local"?

                  Critics are correct when they observe that the mainstream media in this country trends liberal -- but journalism's most salient trait isn't it politics, but its work ethic: more often than not, they'll take a politicians press release or an opinion piece like the one quoted in the OP's link and simply regurgitate it, usually over pizza and beer.
                  I was married for two ******* years! Hell would be like Club Med! - Sam Kinison

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                  • #10
                    The South hated the GOP for a hundred years after the Civil War due to historic and cultural differences. But, Southerners can no longer abide by 'progressive' agenda led politics in the Democratic party and the alternative is the GOP.

                    "I don't belong to any organized political party...I'm a Democrat." Will Rogers.
                    "If you are right, then you are right even if everyone says you are wrong. If you are wrong then you are wrong even if everyone says you are right." William Penn.

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                    • #11
                      A sign that it is poorly written is the article claims the Deep South will all be Republican Senators, but then goes on to mention Florida has a Democratic Senator. Florida is just as Deep South as the rest of the states. Louisiana also has a Democratic Congressman left. The district he represents is mostly Black.

                      If Edwin Edwards had ran in his old district, he might have had a chance. Doctor Boustany there is married to an Edwards relative.

                      Pruitt
                      Pruitt, you are truly an expert! Kelt06

                      Have you been struck by the jawbone of an ASS lately?

                      by Khepesh "This is the logic of Pruitt"

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                        The author of that article is two things:

                        1. A Leftist.

                        2. Everything he claims the opposition is.
                        The latter also known as the "Em Not! You are!" retort

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
                          Well, no point in backing a loser, after all. With their blue state economies failing, funding isn't that easy to come by.
                          Ding, Ding, Ding, we have a Winner!
                          Trying hard to be the Man, that my Dog believes I am!

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