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  • Originally posted by Jonathanrex1 View Post
    In no way is the Dominican Republic or Puerto Rica suffering from "anarchy or rock bottom poverty."
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    I was mentioning the Dominican Republic in this regard:

    http://dominicanwatchdog.org/page-To...nican_Republic
    Where is the connection with Puerto Rico ?

    Originally posted by Jonathanrex1 View Post
    Haiti is not usullay considered Latin America, as it's a French-Creole speaking Black majority country.
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    You should also know this :

    http://www.independent.co.uk/life-st...e-2169415.html

    Originally posted by Jonathanrex1 View Post
    Now Mexico has major drug and corruption troubles, but it is not some Somalia because it never experienced a successfulll Communist revolution.
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    Mexico had Pancho Villa and Emiliano Zapata.
    I believe the problems are within the corrupted US secret services (DEA, FBI and CIA), who have used Drug Dealers for political ends to justify some means. And now things have gotten out of control.


    Originally posted by Jonathanrex1 View Post
    You do know that Cuba has a very profitable Hotel-Toruism industry that many - including a lot of Canadians- enjoy. All of which the government profits from richly. How much of the wealth do you thinks goes to the average Cuban; and how much "genuine" interactions do you think there is between Cubans and the foreigners?
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    Yes, tell me about it. My Dad 86 years old most favorite destination. He spends 2 weeks there, almost every year.
    And yes, there can be restrictions, that prevent genuine" interactions .
    But with the right attitude, you can bypass those restrictions.
    I can tell you how
    And it is not very hard.
    Perhaps Cubans don't benefit directly, but they benefit by it, with better roads, hospitals and infrastructure. What's wrong with that ?
    And some get pretty good jobs.

    Originally posted by Jonathanrex1 View Post
    I'll tell you: not much. My brother went to Cuba with his girlfriend's family. At their hotel was a fence separating it from the locals. On their tour bus, the bus driver would not dare talk politics with them when asked. And in Havana, highly visible armed police were everywhere.
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    Perhaps the Bus Driver detected some "Attitude problems" ?
    I never had a problem there to talk politics .
    Just imagine you would travel through the US, and you would display some socialistic arrogance.
    Armed Police is everywhere in Southamerica, you see it even more and more now in Democrtaic countries after 9/11 too.
    Airports, VIP Hotels, harbours, and so on. It's something hard to get used to, I guess. Moslem Terrorist's do not only attack anglo saxon democracies, you know ?

    Originally posted by Jonathanrex1 View Post
    So I don't see how Communist Cuba is any different, in regards to the tourism industry, than it was under Batista. Just that their is no American tourists. .
    I'm not a tourist promoter, if you prefer cheap hookers, perhaps you should try Thailand, that's pretty close, to what Cuba under Batista was once for western "Tourist's and Gangsters"



    Originally posted by Jonathanrex1 View Post
    So a country where around 60% of the population is European, where a majority speak a European language, where a great many follow a European faith, and finally where the government follows a ideology created by Europeans, is somehow less Western than a Southeastern Asian nation?
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    Yes, because the schools teach socialism, not greed.

    Originally posted by Jonathanrex1 View Post
    Cuba's schooling system is just that different? Sure it has great qualities, but how is it not Western?
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    I don't understand that either, but the media is always talking about the western democratic systems, vs the soviet , eastern style countries, right ?

    Originally posted by Jonathanrex1 View Post
    And I in no way hate Cuba or Communism, but you seem to be unable to accept that the Castro brothers and their regime may not be a utopian vision as they proclaim.
    I have seen a lot worse.

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    • Originally posted by Konzev View Post
      Yes, tell me about it. My Dad 86 years old most favorite destination. He spends 2 weeks there, almost every year.
      And yes, there can be restrictions, that prevent genuine" interactions .
      But with the right attitude, you can bypass those restrictions.
      I can tell you how
      And it is not very hard.
      Perhaps Cubans don't benefit directly, but they benefit by it, with better roads, hospitals and infrastructure. What's wrong with that ?
      And some get pretty good jobs.
      As of right now, I could never afford to go to Cuba, let alone Florida. Upstate New York is South enough for me.

      Perhaps the Bus Driver detected some "Attitude problems" ?
      All they asked was simply "how's your politics?" in a simple friendly tone. The bus drive then got a bit flustered, almost fearful, and finally responding that he couldn't talk about such things.

      Armed Police is everywhere in Southamerica, you see it even more and more now in Democrtaic countries after 9/11 too.
      Airports, VIP Hotels, harbours, and so on. It's something hard to get used to, I guess. Moslem Terrorist's do not only attack anglo saxon democracies, you know ?
      What do Muslim terrorists have against Anti-American Cuba? Islamic terrorists are more concerned with Big Bad Infidel America, than big bad Godless Communism.

      I'm not a tourist promoter, if you prefer cheap hookers, perhaps you should try Thailand, that's pretty close, to what Cuba under Batista was once for western "Tourist's and Gangsters"
      From what I read, it isn't the tourists who are the criminals, but mores so the local Thai people. People who can see the ignorance in many of the tourists, making them easy prey.

      Yes, because the schools teach socialism, not greed.
      Well so do most of the West's Universities.

      I don't understand that either, but the media is always talking about the western democratic systems, vs the soviet , eastern style countries, right ?
      What the Media, or the generally public refers to as the "West" can be generally defined as Northern America, Western Europe and Australia/New Zealand. Along with occasionally Poland, the former Czechoslovakia, and Israel. Or at least that's how I interrupt it. It range seems to change depending on who is using the term.
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      “You need to help people. I know it's not very Republican to say but you need to help people.” DONALD TRUMP, 2016

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      • Originally posted by Jonathanrex1 View Post
        As of right now, I could never afford to go to Cuba, let alone Florida. Upstate New York is South enough for me.
        And than you still read the Huff Post ? That makes me hard to understand your neo liberal notions.

        Originally posted by Jonathanrex1 View Post
        All they asked was simply "how's your politics?" in a simple friendly tone. The bus drive then got a bit flustered, almost fearful, and finally responding that he couldn't talk about such things.
        Seriously, how would, let me say a Busdriver in the Bible belt states react to such a question, if asked by a Cuban Socialist ?

        Originally posted by Jonathanrex1 View Post
        What do Muslim terrorists have against Anti-American Cuba? Islamic terrorists are more concerned with Big Bad Infidel America, than big bad Godless Communism.
        I tread this comment, as from someone, who has never ventured out reading from other sources than the corporate media.
        The Muslem Fundamentalist's and Terrorist's hate nothing more, than non religious "infidels". Literally people who have freed or liberated themselves
        from the mental corset of organized religion.
        Better educated people that can not that easily be coned to be extorted,
        to fund individual power mongers, using religion as a tool for their power trips. Who do you think suffered more under Moslem Fundamentalist terrorist's ? Take Beslan for example.

        Originally posted by Jonathanrex1 View Post

        From what I read, it isn't the tourists who are the criminals, but mores so the local Thai people. People who can see the ignorance in many of the tourists, making them easy prey.
        You have no idea about the child porn perpetrators ?

        Originally posted by Jonathanrex1 View Post
        Well so do most of the West's Universities.
        Well I have to rep you for this, I had a really good laugh today.
        That is funny !

        Originally posted by Jonathanrex1 View Post
        What the Media, or the generally public refers to as the "West" can be generally defined as Northern America, Western Europe and Australia/New Zealand. Along with occasionally Poland, the former Czechoslovakia, and Israel. Or at least that's how I interrupt it. It range seems to change depending on who is using the term.
        Perhaps depends on the "Wannabees".

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        • Originally posted by Konzev View Post
          And than you still read the Huff Post ? That makes me hard to understand your neo liberal notions.
          I don't read the Huffington Post. Too much celebrity junk for me. I'm more of a Toronto Star, Toronto Sun, CBC and occasionally National Post man myself.

          Seriously, how would, let me say a Busdriver in the Bible belt states react to such a question, if asked by a Cuban Socialist ?
          Have no clue, but it depends how the Cuban asks the questions in both wording and tone.

          I tread this comment, as from someone, who has never ventured out reading from other sources than the corporate media.
          The Muslem Fundamentalist's and Terrorist's hate nothing more, than non religious "infidels". Literally people who have freed or liberated themselves
          from the mental corset of organized religion.
          Better educated people that can not that easily be coned to be extorted,
          to fund individual power mongers, using religion as a tool for their power trips. Who do you think suffered more under Moslem Fundamentalist terrorist's ? Take Beslan for example.
          As an Atheist, I know Islamists have no love for me. But as of right now they seemed more concerned with perceived Christian Colonizers, Imperialist Americans and World-Controlling Jews.


          You have no idea about the child porn perpetrators ?
          That is the fault of both the sex tourists and local Thai gangs.



          Well I have to rep you for this, I had a really good laugh today.
          That is funny !


          Perhaps depends on the "Wannabees".
          Well many of the former Eastern Bloc-Soviet states seem keen to enter the privileged Western Club through membership in NATO and the EU. Something that Russia is not so happy about.
          ´
          “You need to help people. I know it's not very Republican to say but you need to help people.” DONALD TRUMP, 2016

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          • Originally posted by Jonathanrex1 View Post
            I don't read the Huffington Post. Too much celebrity junk for me. I'm more of a Toronto Star, Toronto Sun, CBC and occasionally National Post man myself.
            The same papers I read, and that make me believe, that we are still a democratic country. I havn't given hope up just yet.

            Originally posted by Jonathanrex1 View Post
            Have no clue, but it depends how the Cuban asks the questions in both wording and tone.
            Yep, it always depends on how someone asks questions.

            Originally posted by Jonathanrex1 View Post

            As an Atheist, I know Islamists have no love for me. But as of right now they seemed more concerned with perceived Christian Colonizers, Imperialist Americans and World-Controlling Jews.
            I'm more of an agnostic, reading a lot of foreign newspapers. And they report to me, that Muslim Terrorist's do most of the damage in the former soviet republics as they tried in Chechnia. I have a very interesting post from Russia, where Cuba is mentioned a few times, as participating in the fight against Muslim Fundamentalism and Terrorism. Something that the western media does not report. (run it through Google translate):
            http://www.vmeste.org/memo/memoauthor_0012.shtml


            Originally posted by Jonathanrex1 View Post
            That is the fault of both the sex tourists and local Thai gangs.
            No, it's also the fault of our free market psychology, to let it happen.






            Originally posted by Jonathanrex1 View Post


            Well many of the former Eastern Bloc-Soviet states seem keen to enter the privileged Western Club through membership in NATO and the EU. Something that Russia is not so happy about.
            I wouldn't be fouled by temporary shiftings, the countries mentioned, will fall back into their traditional positions. The european union will not last.
            Nato will not last. Europe will fall back into the pitfalls of history.
            Because History is not being taught as it should be, people will repeat the mistakes of the past. I apologise for coming across as pessimistic, but currently, politics do not look progressive.

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