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  • #76
    Good overview here :

    https://fas.org/sgp/crs/row/IF10715.pdf


    For more than a decade, the United States has employed sanctions as a policy tool in response to activities of the Venezuelan government or Venezuelan individuals. These have included sanctions, including targeted sanctions against almost 100 individuals, related to terrorism, drug trafficking, trafficking in persons, antidemocratic actions, human rights violations, and corruption. Most recently, on January 28, 2019, the Trump Administration announced sanctions on Venezuelaís state-oil company, Petrůleos de Venezuela, S.A., or PdVSA.
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    • #77
      Originally posted by Artyom_A View Post
      100 grams per men. Sure that is going to make a large difference. Whatever the reason is the aid in its present form is mostly a PR action which is pretty inconsequential for Venezuela economical situation. Actually US economical sanctions are far more important.
      The aid is a small sample of the good things that await Venezuela once they get rid of the dictator Maduro.
      Incompetence and the self-inflicted disasters of Chavez and Maduro have been far worse for the Venezuelan economy than US sanctions.

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      • #78
        US sanctions didn't cause toilet paper to become a scarce luxury item. US sanctions didn't cause bakeries to stop making staples like bread with the flour they were rationed. These and many other staple items in Venezuela are in short supply or even a rarity because of the Venezuelan government imposing price controls on them, or because the government imposed Socialist rules on them. In some cases, it is because the government took the business / market over and then mismanaged it with incompetent leadership that didn't know how the business worked.

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        • #79
          Originally posted by Artyom_A View Post
          100 grams per men. Sure that is going to make a large difference. Whatever the reason is the aid in its present form is mostly a PR action which is pretty inconsequential for Venezuela economical situation. Actually US economical sanctions are far more important.
          The aid isnít about the economic situation, itís about feeding people.

          maybe allow aid in and some sanctions might be lifted...imagine that...
          the answer is on the floor- john roseberry

          A tiger dies and leaves his fur,
          A man dies and leaves his name,
          A teacher dies and teaches death.
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          • #80
            Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post

            Serbia was doing ethnic cleansing of minority populations they hated. That's hardly new. Without US intervention (yes, European nations invoked NATO treaty requirements because they were too limp dicked to do it on their own in their own backyard) Serbia would have completed the process. Is that something that should be allowed, mass genocide?
            Anyway... Venezuela has turned into another Cuba, North Korea lite, Zimbabwe, Cambodia, and any of an assorted baker's dozen of other loser Socialist / Communist states run by a dicktator (in this case, bus driver turned head of state) who gives a rat's @$$ about his people or society so long as he remains in power.
            Venezuela won't turn into another "Iraq" in any case. Tribalism isn't a problem there. Religious bigotry isn't a problem there. There aren't failed states and terrorist supporting states adjacent to Venezuela. With Maduro gone and somebody sane in power in at least a reasonable democracy of some sort sans the Socialism, the country will return to being prosperous and successful in a matter of a few decades. The longer Maduro and his radical Leftist ilk are in power forcing a Socialist / Communist state on Venezuela, the longer it will take Venezuela to recover once that crap ends... as it always does.
            Enemies of Serbians were also killing. Why US and other NATO countries didn't took them then ? Instead they created the most criminal state of Europe aka Kosovo.

            Venezuela can turn into another Iraq. Neighbor Colombia had=s decades of conflict with FARC and ELN. In case of a foreign invasion, the situation in Venezuela will be much worse. People can deslike Maduro but they will deslike xenos even more.
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            • #81
              Originally posted by General_Jacke View Post

              so it's ok to be wealthy and make 10x as much as the average citizen as long as you're poorer than the global 1%? you're trying so hard its cute
              He is the president after all.
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              • #82
                Originally posted by General_Jacke View Post

                you don't really know much about what the problem was in iraq do you? oh well, it only took 15ish years, but iraq is a stable country now...how terrible, venezuela becoming a stable country again...
                Iraq was more stable before the American invasion. It lost hundreds of thousands of lives and there are possibilities to see something similar to ISIS rise again. Venezuela is stable now. If Maduro gets rids of opposition, it will be even more stable.
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                • #83
                  Originally posted by General_Jacke View Post

                  The aid isnít about the economic situation, itís about feeding people.

                  maybe allow aid in and some sanctions might be lifted...imagine that...
                  It should work the other way around. A country imposing sanctions on mine is an enemy. There is no aid coming from an enemy.
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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by Emtos View Post

                    Iraq was more stable before the American invasion. It lost hundreds of thousands of lives and there are possibilities to see something similar to ISIS rise again. Venezuela is stable now. If Maduro gets rids of opposition, it will be even more stable.
                    Venezuela isnít stable thatís the problem that Maduro has now killing and oppressing his opposition even more will guarantee a civil war if he tries to do so he wonít have the full support of the military.
                    His time is coming up soon.

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by Emtos View Post

                      Venezuela can turn into another Iraq. Neighbor Colombia had=s decades of conflict with FARC and ELN. In case of a foreign invasion, the situation in Venezuela will be much worse. People can deslike Maduro but they will deslike xenos even more.
                      Nonsense. Iraq's problems have to do with it's original formation in 1919 following WW 1. The British and French (as usual) screwed the pooch and simply drew lines on a map. Britain later carved out Kuwait specifically so they could exploit the oil there.
                      The result was Iraq had two distinct racial groups that basically despise each other: Kurds and Arabs. That's problem number one. The Kurds want their own country. Turkey has the same problem with their Kurdish population.
                      The second problem was religion. Both Sunni and Shite Muslims live in Iraq. The middle and Kurdish portions of the country are Sunni dominated. The Southern part is Shite dominated. They hate each other too.
                      Then you throw in that Saddam in his long rule imported lots of terrorists and insurgents for training and allowed them to stay in the country so long as they behaved there. That created a ready body of insurgents and terrorists to oppose anyone after Saddam lost power.
                      Next, the Arab portions of the country are divided by tribalism as well. This creates rivalries throughout the country on top of the ethnic and religious problems.
                      Saddam held all that in check by being a ruthless despot and regularly conducting mass executions and genocide within the country on those that got uppity. You might not remember, but he pretty regularly bombed and gassed the Kurds for example. Repression of the Shite minority was also in full swing.

                      None of that exists in Venezuela or their neighbors. What Venezuela has is massive internal unrest. Half the population wants the hell out of the country. About 10% have already left. For the average Venezuelan, their standard of living has gone in the toilet. They can't get food, they can't basic necessities, hell, they can't even get the worthless Bolivar because the banks are restricted on how much can be withdrawn in a single day and transaction. Venezuela has the highest inflation in the world right now (higher than Zimbabwe at its worst).
                      The economy has shrunk in the last 5 or so years by about a third. The country's economy is collapsing.

                      The only way Maduro can stay in power is to ratchet up the oppression. That's how every despot and nickel dicktator does it. If the population flees, the next step will be close the borders and build walls and fences to keep them in.
                      I'd expect Maduro to start helping FARC and the narco gangs to keep Colombia busy and off his back. That is, unless he decides to "Spread the revolution" and invade Colombia. Guiana and Brazil's borders with Venezuela are mostly jungle / rainforest so neither presents much of a threat to Venezuela and offers little in the way of a land grab.
                      Corruption is another internal problem. Venezuela is one of the most corrupt countries on the planet now. Like dictators before him, Maduro and his cronies are using food as a weapon. This isn't Socialist or whatever, it's how dictators stay in power when things go badly.

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by Emtos View Post

                        It should work the other way around. A country imposing sanctions on mine is an enemy. There is no aid coming from an enemy.
                        well Maduro is no longer the president, so his enemies donít even matter

                        the answer is on the floor- john roseberry

                        A tiger dies and leaves his fur,
                        A man dies and leaves his name,
                        A teacher dies and teaches death.
                        Seikchi Toguchi 1917-1998

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by Emtos View Post

                          He is the president after all.
                          He isnít, but by your definition, heís not a leftist.
                          the answer is on the floor- john roseberry

                          A tiger dies and leaves his fur,
                          A man dies and leaves his name,
                          A teacher dies and teaches death.
                          Seikchi Toguchi 1917-1998

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by Emtos View Post

                            Iraq was more stable before the American invasion. It lost hundreds of thousands of lives and there are possibilities to see something similar to ISIS rise again. Venezuela is stable now. If Maduro gets rids of opposition, it will be even more stable.
                            Venezuela isnít stable. Itís on the brink collapse.
                            but ya, if he starved, beats, and murders anyone who opposes him the country will be quite stable as there wonít be anyone but him and a handful of people left...
                            the answer is on the floor- john roseberry

                            A tiger dies and leaves his fur,
                            A man dies and leaves his name,
                            A teacher dies and teaches death.
                            Seikchi Toguchi 1917-1998

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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by General_Jacke View Post
                              He isnít, but by your definition, heís not a leftist.
                              He is. He was elected in a much more democratic way than yours and Venezuelans are the ones to judge on his legitimacy. And 90% of world countries agree with them.
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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by General_Jacke View Post
                                well Maduro is no longer the president, so his enemies donít even matter
                                Lol. He commands the army, the police, the guard. He directs the international relations and national policies. Following your logic, the rest of the world can recognize Bernie Sanders as your president.
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