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  • #61
    Originally posted by General_Jacke View Post
    Thereís only so much room to store it so only so much can be sent until the first bunch is delivered.

    we also know the security forces are being taken care of, and the wealthy are doing ok so that eases the burden from 30million downward.
    Then thereís the 3 million or more that have fled to other countries...so 10 percent of the population decided to boogey on out already, reducing the strain on the aid shipments even further
    And still, the humanitarian aid is fake news: https://ahtribune.com/world/americas...EDZidAxiH2V4gQ https://ahtribune.com/world/americas...EDZidAxiH2V4gQ

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    • #62
      Originally posted by General_Jacke View Post
      ummm you realize that the left/right spectrum has a lot more to it than that right?

      by your own definition Maduro isnít a leftist since heís wealthy by comparison with his average citizen.

      youre just so desperate to try to make the US into some demonic evil doers youíre pulling random bullshit from no where
      At which point he is wealthy ? Is it his own wealth or the one of the state ? He is nowhere near the rich elites of capitalist society.

      I don't have to try to make US look as demonic evil. US did this themselves. Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Ukraine,... Where did the life became better after the arrival of US ?
      There are no Nazis in Ukraine. © Idiots

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      • #63
        Originally posted by Emtos View Post

        At which point he is wealthy ? Is it his own wealth or the one of the state ? He is nowhere near the rich elites of capitalist society.

        I don't have to try to make US look as demonic evil. US did this themselves. Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Ukraine,... Where did the life became better after the arrival of US ?
        Only Russians and their fanatics think that the former Yugoslavia which was a peacekeeping operation was a crime which only worked out when NATO bombed Serbia.
        If NATO hadnít started bombing in 95 the ethnic cleansing wouldíve still been going on.
        Maduro and his parties policies have been destroying Venezuela US involvement is the best chance Venezuelans have now.

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        • #64
          Serbia was fighitng for his ancestral lands. Without NATO interventiong they would have won.
          US intervention will turn Venezuela into another Iraq.
          There are no Nazis in Ukraine. © Idiots

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          • #65
            Originally posted by Emtos View Post
            Serbia was fighitng for his ancestral lands. Without NATO interventiong they would have won.
            US intervention will turn Venezuela into another Iraq.
            BS they couldnít do much worse then they got now there could be a civil war but itís been coming for awhile.
            Youíre in favour of other cultures taking over other countries elsewhere what makes Serbia so special that they get to take back territory that once belonged to them.

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            • #66
              Originally posted by Snowshoveler View Post

              BS they couldnít do much worse then they got now there could be a civil war but itís been coming for awhile.
              Youíre in favour of other cultures taking over other countries elsewhere what makes Serbia so special that they get to take back territory that once belonged to them.
              Starving and having a war is worse than simply having troubles with food. Syrians, Libyans and Ukrainians learned that.

              You're in favor of whites taking the lands of other and keep them.Serbian lands were taken over by muslims. Where is your anger then ?
              There are no Nazis in Ukraine. © Idiots

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              • #67
                Originally posted by Emtos View Post
                Serbia was fighitng for his ancestral lands. Without NATO interventiong they would have won.
                US intervention will turn Venezuela into another Iraq.
                Serbia was doing ethnic cleansing of minority populations they hated. That's hardly new. Without US intervention (yes, European nations invoked NATO treaty requirements because they were too limp dicked to do it on their own in their own backyard) Serbia would have completed the process. Is that something that should be allowed, mass genocide?
                Anyway... Venezuela has turned into another Cuba, North Korea lite, Zimbabwe, Cambodia, and any of an assorted baker's dozen of other loser Socialist / Communist states run by a dicktator (in this case, bus driver turned head of state) who gives a rat's @$$ about his people or society so long as he remains in power.
                Venezuela won't turn into another "Iraq" in any case. Tribalism isn't a problem there. Religious bigotry isn't a problem there. There aren't failed states and terrorist supporting states adjacent to Venezuela. With Maduro gone and somebody sane in power in at least a reasonable democracy of some sort sans the Socialism, the country will return to being prosperous and successful in a matter of a few decades. The longer Maduro and his radical Leftist ilk are in power forcing a Socialist / Communist state on Venezuela, the longer it will take Venezuela to recover once that crap ends... as it always does.

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by Emtos View Post

                  Starving and having a war is worse than simply having troubles with food. Syrians, Libyans and Ukrainians learned that.

                  You're in favor of whites taking the lands of other and keep them.Serbian lands were taken over by muslims. Where is your anger then ?
                  Itís not guaranteed that there will be a civil war if power transfer is done right thereís no future under Maduro Venezuelans have to take the first chance they get to remove him to have a future with some prosperity which they have none now.

                  As long as the Muslims donít try to take more territory then they had itís fine genocide by the Serbs isnít.
                  Your view on Muslims in other European countries is hypocritical.

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                  • #69
                    Opposition to US coup is growing: "In a spectacular display of solidarity and strength, envoys from such distant capitals as Beijing and Havana, Moscow and Tehran, Pyongyang and Caracas, Damascus and Managua and numerous other states stood together, side by side, in front of the United Nations Security Council, declaring their determination to protect the UN Charter and International Law, and holding sacrosanct the sovereignty and inviolability of each member state.

                    All these present, and approximately 50 more aligned, are states whose combined populations comprise more than half the people of the world, and all have been victimized and pauperized by the predations of neoliberal capitalist states bleeding the wealth of their peoples.






                    http://www.defenddemocracy.press/han...J_gdPYuFUnmwvY

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by Konzev View Post
                      Opposition to US coup is growing: "In a spectacular display of solidarity and strength, envoys from such distant capitals as Beijing and Havana, Moscow and Tehran, Pyongyang and Caracas, Damascus and Managua and numerous other states stood together, side by side, in front of the United Nations Security Council, declaring their determination to protect the UN Charter and International Law, and holding sacrosanct the sovereignty and inviolability of each member state.

                      All these present, and approximately 50 more aligned, are states whose combined populations comprise more than half the people of the world, and all have been victimized and pauperized by the predations of neoliberal capitalist states bleeding the wealth of their peoples.
                      So what if a who's who of bad actors on the radical Left are whining about something. As for the UN-- that useless gentleman's (I use the term derisively) debating society is a worthless, feckless, and toothless waste of time. Not the first time I've said that either...

                      Venezuela is coming apart like a $5 suit in the rain. Over 10% of the population has fled the country and nearly half the population says they'd leave if they could.

                      https://news.gallup.com/poll/246323/...say-leave.aspx

                      As for your last sentence-- Better recheck that. The single most massive cause of poverty, deprivation, repression, mass killings, and virtually every other social negative in the last 200 years or so can be squarely put on the radical Left and heavy handed Socialism and Communism. The hard Left has caused more of that than war, disease, or natural disasters. It takes truly concentrated effort on the part of evil people to murder millions in the name of Social and Economic Justice the way the Left has done.
                      Last edited by T. A. Gardner; 24 Feb 19, 18:34.

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by Emtos View Post

                        At which point he is wealthy ? Is it his own wealth or the one of the state ? He is nowhere near the rich elites of capitalist society.

                        I don't have to try to make US look as demonic evil. US did this themselves. Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Ukraine,... Where did the life became better after the arrival of US ?
                        so it's ok to be wealthy and make 10x as much as the average citizen as long as you're poorer than the global 1%? you're trying so hard its cute
                        the answer is on the floor- john roseberry

                        A tiger dies and leaves his fur,
                        A man dies and leaves his name,
                        A teacher dies and teaches death.
                        Seikchi Toguchi 1917-1998

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by Artyom_A View Post
                          Well, a naive question: what is the tonnage of food sent to Venezuela? BBC says about "hundreds tons of foreign aid". The most basic math says that 300 tons of food for 30 million population means about 10 grams per men. Sure as hell that is a purely token number which doesn't determine if Venezuela would starve or not.
                          approximately 10% are starving, 10% of 27million (removing the 3million who have already fled) is 2.7 million, so how much food per starving person is that?
                          https://www.dailywire.com/news/43877...ign=benshapiro
                          the answer is on the floor- john roseberry

                          A tiger dies and leaves his fur,
                          A man dies and leaves his name,
                          A teacher dies and teaches death.
                          Seikchi Toguchi 1917-1998

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by Emtos View Post
                            Serbia was fighitng for his ancestral lands. Without NATO interventiong they would have won.
                            US intervention will turn Venezuela into another Iraq.
                            you don't really know much about what the problem was in iraq do you? oh well, it only took 15ish years, but iraq is a stable country now...how terrible, venezuela becoming a stable country again...
                            the answer is on the floor- john roseberry

                            A tiger dies and leaves his fur,
                            A man dies and leaves his name,
                            A teacher dies and teaches death.
                            Seikchi Toguchi 1917-1998

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by Konzev View Post
                              "[I]In a spectacular display of solidarity and strength, envoys from such distant capitals as Beijing and Havana, Moscow and Tehran, Pyongyang and Caracas, Damascus and Managua "

                              http://www.defenddemocracy.press/han...J_gdPYuFUnmwvY
                              From a website called 'defend democracy' a list of capital cities of which countries none are democracies!

                              The old Commie doublespeak like the good old days of the Deutsche Demokratische Republik.




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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by General_Jacke View Post
                                approximately 10% are starving, 10% of 27million (removing the 3million who have already fled) is 2.7 million, so how much food per starving person is that?
                                https://www.dailywire.com/news/43877...ign=benshapiro
                                100 grams per men. Sure that is going to make a large difference. Whatever the reason is the aid in its present form is mostly a PR action which is pretty inconsequential for Venezuela economical situation. Actually US economical sanctions are far more important.

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