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  • Originally posted by General_Jacke View Post

    oh look iraq seems to have been doing pretty good as of late as well. even better than they were under saddam.
    https://www.google.com/publicdata/ex...SR&hl=en&dl=en

    https://data.worldbank.org/country/iraq

    as for how dismissive you are of the ukrainian conflict, ukraine isn't a massive nation, so a small conflict will greatly effect them.

    britain, france, and russia had a chance to end the war in europe during WWII as well, like ukraine now has, but like ukraine they chose not to roll over for an aggressor nation.
    but even ukraine was doing good before the current conflict...a recession in 2008 or so, but they climbed their way out. as of 2013 they were doing way better than they were under the soviets and in 2016 they were still way above the 1989 GDP they had under the soviets...so what exactly is the point you're trying to make?

    https://www.google.com/publicdata/ex...LR&hl=en&dl=en
    Ukraine decided itself to shot in the foot. Their problems are of their own making.

    Iraq lost lots of people and suffered massive destructions. Not much better that under Saddam.
    There are no Nazis in Ukraine. © Idiots

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    • Originally posted by Emtos View Post

      Ukraine decided itself to shot in the foot. Their problems are of their own making.

      Iraq lost lots of people and suffered massive destructions. Not much better that under Saddam.
      sounds about the same as under saddam considering his attacks against his own people....just now with a higher GDP.

      ukraine decided to go ahead and have a civil war, and told Russia to come take Crimea?

      nice deflections though.
      your examples for the most part worked against you. Good job.
      the answer is on the floor- john roseberry

      A tiger dies and leaves his fur,
      A man dies and leaves his name,
      A teacher dies and teaches death.
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      • Indeed, that's what they did.
        There are no Nazis in Ukraine. © Idiots

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        • seems like operation liberty hasn't quite worn down. yesterday there was a shoot out near the simon bolivar bridge.

          https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.5640b3eccebe
          the answer is on the floor- john roseberry

          A tiger dies and leaves his fur,
          A man dies and leaves his name,
          A teacher dies and teaches death.
          Seikchi Toguchi 1917-1998

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          • I'm surprised by Maduro's patience. It's a miracle that Guaido and all his collaborators aren't food for sharks yet.
            There are no Nazis in Ukraine. © Idiots

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            • Originally posted by Emtos View Post
              I'm surprised by Maduro's patience. It's a miracle that Guaido and all his collaborators aren't food for sharks yet.
              ya he is very patient for a dictator, but he's probably afraid overtly and blatantly moving against guaido would bring the US into the conflict
              the answer is on the floor- john roseberry

              A tiger dies and leaves his fur,
              A man dies and leaves his name,
              A teacher dies and teaches death.
              Seikchi Toguchi 1917-1998

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              • He shouldn't be. A war isn't in Trumps interest.
                There are no Nazis in Ukraine. © Idiots

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                • Originally posted by Emtos View Post
                  He shouldn't be. A war isn't in Trumps interest.
                  honestly most of trump's base would likely love to see the US military steam roll a socialist country, so solidifying support among his base would be in his interest.

                  it's more in trump's interest to keep the revolution going than to allow maduro to quash it and remain in power, slowly spiralling his country further and further into long term chaos, until the military support fractures, and shifts to various other factions, turning venezuela into a south american syria.

                  it's definitely in his interests to counter and limit russia's influence in the western hemisphere.
                  the answer is on the floor- john roseberry

                  A tiger dies and leaves his fur,
                  A man dies and leaves his name,
                  A teacher dies and teaches death.
                  Seikchi Toguchi 1917-1998

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                  • Originally posted by General_Jacke View Post

                    honestly most of trump's base would likely love to see the US military steam roll a socialist country, so solidifying support among his base would be in his interest.

                    it's more in trump's interest to keep the revolution going than to allow maduro to quash it and remain in power, slowly spiralling his country further and further into long term chaos, until the military support fractures, and shifts to various other factions, turning venezuela into a south american syria.

                    it's definitely in his interests to counter and limit russia's influence in the western hemisphere.
                    And then it could be another Afghanistan or Syria. Once the shooting starts, it becomes very hard to stop. Maduro still enjoys a large support. Those people will no surround without resistance.
                    There are no Nazis in Ukraine. © Idiots

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                    • Originally posted by Emtos View Post

                      And then it could be another Afghanistan or Syria. Once the shooting starts, it becomes very hard to stop. Maduro still enjoys a large support. Those people will no surround without resistance.
                      Get it through your thick skull Maduro is hated by most Venezuelans once heís gone the opposition will flee like rats leaving a sinking ship.

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                      • If he was hated, Guaido would have succeded. He completely failed.
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                        • Originally posted by Emtos View Post

                          And then it could be another Afghanistan or Syria. Once the shooting starts, it becomes very hard to stop. Maduro still enjoys a large support. Those people will no surround without resistance.
                          except the situation in afghanistan was completely different than the situation in venezuela...are there fundamentalists islamists all over south america ready to converge on venezuela to prevent the nation from rebuilding?

                          and as i said before, afghanistan's economy is doing pretty good, so not the best example...venezuela's problems are 100% because their economy went in the shitter

                          Most of his support is bought via special treatment. once maduro can no longer provide benefits to specific supporters, those supporters will turn on him.
                          the answer is on the floor- john roseberry

                          A tiger dies and leaves his fur,
                          A man dies and leaves his name,
                          A teacher dies and teaches death.
                          Seikchi Toguchi 1917-1998

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                          • Originally posted by Emtos View Post
                            If he was hated, Guaido would have succeded. He completely failed.
                            Youíre so full of it you havenít any clue what youíre talking about.

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                            • Originally posted by Snowshoveler View Post

                              Youíre so full of it you havenít any clue what youíre talking about.
                              He started the putsh in January. We're 7th of May and no results so far. Really lame.
                              There are no Nazis in Ukraine. © Idiots

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                              • The U.S. will send the USNS Comfort to Latin American on a mission to provide humanitarian assistance.
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                                "A wise man can learn more from a foolish question than a fool can learn from a wise answer." ~ Bruce Lee

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