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  • #16
    Originally posted by Artyom_A View Post
    The contract was signed under Chavez in 2006 actually.
    Breaking news then?

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    • #17
      Originally posted by General_Jacke View Post
      Iím not sure what you think happened...do you think the US military infiltrated deep into Venezuela, stole Venezuelan military vehicles and tanks, and then proceeded to shoot civilians?
      More likely sent "civilians" to cause the whole affair. A similar tactic to used in Syria and Ukraine.
      There are no Nazis in Ukraine. © Idiots

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Emtos View Post

        More likely sent "civilians" to cause the whole affair. A similar tactic to used in Syria and Ukraine.
        Oh ya, Iím sure the US had to work so hard to get starving Venezuelans to try to keep a border crossing open hoping for aid to come to them....

        youre so far down the conspiracy rabbit hole itís funny
        the answer is on the floor- john roseberry

        A tiger dies and leaves his fur,
        A man dies and leaves his name,
        A teacher dies and teaches death.
        Seikchi Toguchi 1917-1998

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        • #19
          Originally posted by General_Jacke View Post
          Oh ya, Iím sure the US had to work so hard to get starving Venezuelans to try to keep a border crossing open hoping for aid to come to them....

          youre so far down the conspiracy rabbit hole itís funny
          Yeah, it wasn't US who supported an illegitimate self-proclamed "president". It wasn't US who threatened with use of force, who refused to leave the embassy, who sends support to Columbia, prevents financial interactions and who send the "aid" despite Venezuelan government clearly saying that they don't want it.
          There are no Nazis in Ukraine. © Idiots

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Emtos View Post

            Yeah, it wasn't US who supported an illegitimate self-proclamed "president". It wasn't US who threatened with use of force, who refused to leave the embassy, who sends support to Columbia, prevents financial interactions and who send the "aid" despite Venezuelan government clearly saying that they don't want it.
            So in your mind shooting people wanting humanitarian aid that they desperately need deserved to be shot trying to receive it?
            Whoops stupid question look who Iím asking.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Emtos View Post

              Yeah, it wasn't US who supported an illegitimate self-proclamed "president". It wasn't US who threatened with use of force, who refused to leave the embassy, who sends support to Columbia, prevents financial interactions and who send the "aid" despite Venezuelan government clearly saying that they don't want it.
              The Venezuelan government wants it.
              a thug and his well armed gang bangers are preventing the people from getting it.
              tge embassy is sovereign US soil why would the US leave it? Whatís wrong with supporting Colombia?

              you seem to be confused. The US isnít supporting Maduro, theyíre supporting the constitutional president and the nationís legislative body.
              the answer is on the floor- john roseberry

              A tiger dies and leaves his fur,
              A man dies and leaves his name,
              A teacher dies and teaches death.
              Seikchi Toguchi 1917-1998

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              • #22
                Originally posted by General_Jacke View Post
                The Venezuelan government wants it.
                a thug and his well armed gang bangers are preventing the people from getting it.
                tge embassy is sovereign US soil why would the US leave it? Whatís wrong with supporting Colombia?

                you seem to be confused. The US isnít supporting Maduro, theyíre supporting the constitutional president and the nationís legislative body.
                There is only one legitimate Venezuelan government and it's lead by President Maduro supported by his loyal army. Ambassy is not sovereign soil, it has immunity which is not unlimited. Supporting Colombia means helping it to cause war in Venezuela.

                US supports a self-proclamed clown without any real power. The only constitutional president is Maduro, like it or not.
                There are no Nazis in Ukraine. © Idiots

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Snowshoveler View Post

                  So in your mind shooting people wanting humanitarian aid that they desperately need deserved to be shot trying to receive it?
                  Whoops stupid question look who Iím asking.
                  Clashing with forces of order is a crime and is punishable.
                  There are no Nazis in Ukraine. © Idiots

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Artyom_A View Post

                    I would advice to google it:

                    Venezuela army is nowhere near huge (and it was strongly underfunded in recent years). Actually their "friends" from Columbia have a far superior military force.
                    Okay, I did.

                    The Colombian military (next door) is numerically larger. They have 145,000 men and 105,000 paramilitary police. This is mostly in response to the ongoing FARC insurgency and drug issues they have internally.
                    The Colombian military consists of 9 infantry divisions. These have relatively light artillery assets, just 35 155mm and 75 105mm howitzers. Their armored assets are about 300 armored cars, a mix of LAV III, EE 9's, and M-8's.
                    The air force has 21 IAI Kfir fighters and 14 AT 37 Dragonflies. They also have about 135 helicopters in service, mostly for counterinsurgency work.

                    The Venezuelan military by comparison, has about 71,000 men in it. But, their military is organized as a relatively modern, mobile, and heavily armored force. They have 3 semi-mechanized infantry divisions, an armored division, a "Jungle" division (leg infantry), and "cavalry" (mechanized) division.
                    Their assets include 375 T72 and AMX 30 MBT, 100 light AMX 13/90 and Scorpion tanks, 250 APC (a mix of BMP 3 and BTR 80). They have 48 self-propelled 152mm guns, 80 105mm howitzers, and 24 155mm howitzers. In addition, they have 36 multiple rocket launchers. They now have over 100 mobile SAM launch vehicles in several models and hundreds of light AA guns.
                    They have more trucks and other soft skinned vehicles in service by far as well. The Venezuelan military also has a large and relatively well equipped engineering brigade for supporting field operations. This would be very useful in offensive operations in particular.
                    Their air force is much better equipped too. 23 Su 30 with more on order, 16 F-16A. More importantly, they have an aerial refueling tanker (based on a 707) and several ESM / ECM aircraft.
                    Deliveries of more equipment from Russia, in particular, is on-going whereas the Colombian military is largely stagnant in equipment.

                    They are definitely far better equipped for offensive warfare than Colombia, their only neighbor with a military that is deployed such that the two could likely have a ground war. Colombia's military has greater peacetime numbers, but is hardly equipped or trained for large scale ground warfare. Instead, their focus is on counterinsurgency operations against drug cartels and the FARC.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Emtos View Post

                      There is only one legitimate Venezuelan government and it's lead by President Maduro supported by his loyal army. Ambassy is not sovereign soil, it has immunity which is not unlimited. Supporting Colombia means helping it to cause war in Venezuela.

                      US supports a self-proclamed clown without any real power. The only constitutional president is Maduro, like it or not.
                      Embassies are sovereign territory...you clearly donít know what youíre talking about.

                      maduro was the legitimate president, then he suppressed any serious opposition he had and invalidated any claim he had to legitimacy...
                      guaido is the constitutional president. The constitution has provisions for situations like this and per those provisions he is the interim president.
                      the answer is on the floor- john roseberry

                      A tiger dies and leaves his fur,
                      A man dies and leaves his name,
                      A teacher dies and teaches death.
                      Seikchi Toguchi 1917-1998

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Emtos

                        As always you support the criminals. Nothing surprising.
                        Says the guy supporting the murderers who killed two unarmed civilians...
                        the answer is on the floor- john roseberry

                        A tiger dies and leaves his fur,
                        A man dies and leaves his name,
                        A teacher dies and teaches death.
                        Seikchi Toguchi 1917-1998

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Emtos View Post

                          Clashing with forces of order is a crime and is punishable.
                          Forces of order? That doesnít even have any meaning. The greatapo and SS were forces of order. Doesnít mean they were morally or ethically justified in their actions...youíre an apologist for dictators and despots apparently.

                          they were trying to help the thug boss starve the people of Venezuela.

                          the answer is on the floor- john roseberry

                          A tiger dies and leaves his fur,
                          A man dies and leaves his name,
                          A teacher dies and teaches death.
                          Seikchi Toguchi 1917-1998

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                          • #28
                            Btw talking about the readiness of the Venezuelan military...hereís this gem aimed at intimidating the US.

                            https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xDMq9qBpNZM

                            im not even exaggerating I could probably round up enough rednecks to topple Maduro in a month or two with the quality of the Venezuelan military...
                            the answer is on the floor- john roseberry

                            A tiger dies and leaves his fur,
                            A man dies and leaves his name,
                            A teacher dies and teaches death.
                            Seikchi Toguchi 1917-1998

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by General_Jacke View Post

                              Embassies are sovereign territory...you clearly donít know what youíre talking about.

                              maduro was the legitimate president, then he suppressed any serious opposition he had and invalidated any claim he had to legitimacy...
                              guaido is the constitutional president. The constitution has provisions for situations like this and per those provisions he is the interim president.
                              I already posted the treaty of Vienna in another thread. They aren't sovereign territory. Maduro won the elections. Thus he is the legitimate president. Guaido is simply an useful idiot attempting to take power for his foreign masters.
                              There are no Nazis in Ukraine. © Idiots

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by General_Jacke View Post
                                Says the guy supporting the murderers who killed two unarmed civilians...
                                They aren't murderers. Military, police and secret services have the monopoly of violence and murder. All otjero doesn't. Ukraine, Syria and Libya also started with unarmed civilians. Better to stop them now than do it later.
                                There are no Nazis in Ukraine. © Idiots

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