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  • Originally posted by General_Jacke View Post
    Jesus Christ your dense.
    americans are likely in a few, friendly embassies with their own nationals in country likely got word and shared the information, and again, intelligence asserts.

    its not that hard to figure you. You are just looking so hard for something to blame the US for
    Yeah, find every excuse possible to deny the simple truth - US did it.
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    • Originally posted by Emtos View Post

      Yeah, find every excuse possible to deny the simple truth - US did it.
      No excuses, simply the most likely explanation.

      if this was a CIA operation they wouldn’t be telling Rubio.

      maybe produce some evidence and your claim will move up the ladder of probability
      the answer is on the floor- john roseberry

      A tiger dies and leaves his fur,
      A man dies and leaves his name,
      A teacher dies and teaches death.
      Seikchi Toguchi 1917-1998

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      • It was already announced by the official Venezuelan sources.
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        • Originally posted by Emtos View Post

          Yeah, find every excuse possible to deny the simple truth - US did it.
          It wouldn't take the US. Venezuela has a handful of large hydroelectric plants supplying most of the country. One or two go down, or the transmission system (also mostly older and vulnerable) fails and most of the country goes dark.

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          • Originally posted by Emtos View Post
            It was already announced by the official Venezuelan sources.
            What was announced by official Venezuelan sources?
            the answer is on the floor- john roseberry

            A tiger dies and leaves his fur,
            A man dies and leaves his name,
            A teacher dies and teaches death.
            Seikchi Toguchi 1917-1998

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            • Having now read a number of accounts of this incident, I'm not buying the "US cyber attack angle."

              1. Maduro has given zero details of how the attack was carried out. He has said variously, that it was an "electromagnetic" attack, then a "cyber" attack, and finally, "sabotage." That doesn't sound all that credible when you keep the target moving.
              2. Maduro has also blamed opposition leaders and wants to hold in absentia trials for their supposed role in the attacks.
              3. Experts from a number of countries are blaming a neglected power grid and transmission system, in particular Guri hydroelectric plant / dam for the failure.
              4. It is very typical for a dictator facing a deteriorating national picture to blame outside forces / "enemies" for the woes he's created.

              Given that Corpoelec, the state controlled electrical company has been put in the hands of incompetent cronies and loyalists to run it, that many of the engineers and other technical staff have fled Venezuela, and that the military is backing the new "management" it is likely that this simply exacerbated an already delicate grid.
              When you have a single hydroelectric plant (Guri dam) supplying 80% of the national grid, there's a real issue that you could have a major loss if it goes down.
              Last edited by T. A. Gardner; 18 Mar 19, 00:33.

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              • Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                4. It is very typical for a dictator facing a deteriorating national picture to blame outside forces / "enemies"
                He-he, you don't see an irony here, do you?
                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia...ates_elections

                Well, I would say there are 9 chances out of 10 that the blackout was a US sabotage indeed. Too much a coincidence for a usual technological catastrophe.

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                • Originally posted by General_Jacke View Post

                  What was announced by official Venezuelan sources?
                  The sabotage caused by US.
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                  • I'd say it's the opposite. There's about a 1 in 10 chance the US did it. If the US did, Maduro and engineers who know the Venezuelan grid would easily point it out and could be specific about the way it was done. The Stuxnet virus used on Iran is that way as an example. Experts figured out PDQ it was the US who launched that one, possibly in cahoots with Israel.

                    Here, Maduro and the government are taking a vague shotgun approach to why the blackout happened, while expert engineers are saying it's almost certainly due to the way Venezuela's grid is set up.

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                    • Originally posted by Emtos View Post

                      The sabotage caused by US.
                      And what evidence did they provide?
                      the answer is on the floor- john roseberry

                      A tiger dies and leaves his fur,
                      A man dies and leaves his name,
                      A teacher dies and teaches death.
                      Seikchi Toguchi 1917-1998

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                      • Originally posted by General_Jacke View Post
                        No excuses, simply the most likely explanation.

                        if this was a CIA operation they wouldn’t be telling Rubio.

                        maybe produce some evidence and your claim will move up the ladder of probability
                        How do you figure that? Guri dam supplies roughly 80% of Venezuela's power. That means if the hydroelectric generators there start going down, even just one or two, there will be a cascade power failure across the board simply because there is nothing else to pick up the load.
                        If maintenance on the generators or transmission lines out of the dam are neglected, this will only increase the possibility of a failure.

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                        • Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post

                          How do you figure that? Guri dam supplies roughly 80% of Venezuela's power. That means if the hydroelectric generators there start going down, even just one or two, there will be a cascade power failure across the board simply because there is nothing else to pick up the load.
                          If maintenance on the generators or transmission lines out of the dam are neglected, this will only increase the possibility of a failure.
                          Um I think you misread my post or something...
                          the answer is on the floor- john roseberry

                          A tiger dies and leaves his fur,
                          A man dies and leaves his name,
                          A teacher dies and teaches death.
                          Seikchi Toguchi 1917-1998

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                          • Originally posted by General_Jacke View Post
                            And what evidence did they provide?
                            What kind of evidence do you need ?
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                            • Originally posted by Emtos View Post

                              What kind of evidence do you need ?
                              Lol meaning they never provided any evidence at all, and you have nothing to actually support your claims.
                              you just demand that it has to be the US because the US is so evil
                              the answer is on the floor- john roseberry

                              A tiger dies and leaves his fur,
                              A man dies and leaves his name,
                              A teacher dies and teaches death.
                              Seikchi Toguchi 1917-1998

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                              • Originally posted by General_Jacke View Post
                                Lol meaning they never provided any evidence at all, and you have nothing to actually support your claims.
                                you just demand that it has to be the US because the US is so evil
                                Again, what evidence do you want ? A mail from CIA hackers ?
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