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  • frisco17
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    Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
    Given the sad state of the Cuban military in its previous deployments, this ought to be another layer of humor on the situation.
    I for one look forward to seeing what they can do with technicals made out of 1958 Chevy Impalas.

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  • Taieb el-Okbi
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    Originally posted by lirelou View Post
    I don't see any reason to rank Cuba's fighting spirit over ISIL's. If it were the Cubans on their own, I think ISIL would stand a good chance. But if your reporting is correct, and I don't believe it is, the Cubans would not be taking ISIL on on their own. They would have Russian and Syrian support, most likely close air support, and Russian Intel and Communications assistance. In other words, they would be fighting as part of a unified combined arms force. But again, given Syria's numbers, why would Cubans have to be there at all?


    I find that many of the folks in ISIL could as you talk about, have a good fighting spirit. I think you would argree that at the same time, many in ISIL are simply in ISIL to harm women and or to gain money. I do not know much about the Cuban armed forces, but I do understand that Cuba has an organized military, including an air force. I do not believe ISIL has an air force, so one edge that I find in Cuba is that Cuba has an air force. Also Its Fox News reporting this story, not my reporting.

    I understand your concerns about the legitimacy of the report, I myself was a bit unsure of the fox news report. Though I will add there has been an interesting development,we now have the Daily posting about this story,

    Cuba Is Intervening in Syria to Help Russia. Itís Not the First Time Havanaís Assisted Moscow.

    Reports that Cuban forces are now fighting in Syria follow a long history of the Castro brothers working closely with their patrons in Moscow.

    Not for the first time Cuban forces are doing Russiaís dirty work, this time in Syria. On Wednesday it was reported that a U.S. official had confirmed to Fox News that Cuban paramilitary and Special Forces units were on the ground in Syria. Reportedly transported to the region in Russian planes, the Cubans are rumoured to be experts at operating Russian tanks.


    http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...ed-moscow.html

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  • Arnold J Rimmer
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    Given the sad state of the Cuban military in its previous deployments, this ought to be another layer of humor on the situation.

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  • frisco17
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    Originally posted by lirelou View Post
    Frisco17 - For most in the US Army, Special Forces are troops who have chosen that branch after previous service elsewhere in the Armed Forces. To take the example of Roger Donlon, who received the first Medal of Honor awarded for Vietnam, he first enlisted in the Air Force. I went from enlisted Special Forces to the Armor Officer Candidate course, then to light infantry, and then to an Armored Division where I commanded two companies in addition to being an Armor battalion and brigade logistics officer. Colonel Francis J. Kelly, one of the 5th SFG's commanders in Vietnam, was also Armor.
    I'm aware of the fact that individual soldiers that may have spent time as Rangers, PJs, etc can re-class into other positions but that's not really what I'm talking about. For example even if you completed Ranger school, served in a Ranger unit and then re-classed into let's say an armored unit for some reason. If your unit gets deployed you are not special forces, you're an armored line unit. The implication in the OP was that the Cubans were deploying an SF unit to Syria in order to crew tanks. That just doesn't make any sense to me. The logical approach would be to send ordinary tank crews who, even though they probably have less overall training than a special forces unit, that training is much more valuable in this case because it actually involves operating tanks as opposed to the sort of things special forces usually do. It's like saying we need to send pilots to Iraq to operate their new F-16s so instead of sending USAF pilots we'll send the SEALs.

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  • Sgt. Rock
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    Originally posted by lirelou View Post
    . But again, given Syria's numbers, why would Cubans have to be there at all?
    Maybe an ex KGB person asked Cuba to get involved. During the Cold War Cuba did what the Soviets told them to do.

    http://www.amazon.com/Cold-War-Congo.../dp/1412847664

    http://militaryhistorynow.com/2014/1...-foreign-wars/

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  • lirelou
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    I would take the Cuban armed forces over ISIL. What do folks think, can Cubas armed forces (on its own) take on ISIL ?
    I don't see any reason to rank Cuba's fighting spirit over ISIL's. If it were the Cubans on their own, I think ISIL would stand a good chance. But if your reporting is correct, and I don't believe it is, the Cubans would not be taking ISIL on on their own. They would have Russian and Syrian support, most likely close air support, and Russian Intel and Communications assistance. In other words, they would be fighting as part of a unified combined arms force. But again, given Syria's numbers, why would Cubans have to be there at all?

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  • lirelou
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    The Cuban tanks are old, but so are many of the Syrian tanks. Cuba also has a small number of T-72s, whereas Syria had some 1,500 T-72s of a total tank fleet of 4,950 tanks when the war started. Only a small number of those tanks have been destroyed. Now, two countries having the same model number of tanks does not guarantee automatic inter-operability of crews, but it certainly reduces training familiarization time. There can be vast difference between target acquisition and sighting systems, as well as armor, between T-72s. Syria's are from the former USSR, as are Cuba's. But supposedly, Syria also has more men under arms at present than when the war started, at which time they had 325,000 in the Armed Forces, of which 2/3rds were Army. (Source: International Business Times article)

    So one basic question remains unresolved: Why would Syria need to import Cuban tank crews if it, as it appears, is on the verge of wining this war due in no small part to the inaction of the United States? This report has not been on any major news channel other than Fox. It has not been mentioned by Matt Drudge, and the reports google brings up are mostly reiterations of the same linked in the OP.

    Still sounds like RUMINT to me.

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  • Taieb el-Okbi
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    We can see the tanks in this Pro Cuban military video,




    Appears to be Russian made tanks^, I could be wrong though.


    I would take the Cuban armed forces over ISIL. What do folks think, can Cubas armed forces (on its own) take on ISIL ?

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  • Gixxer86g
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    Wikipedia lists 800 T54/55s, with 300 of those in storage. Some also converted to SP arty.
    They also list 300 T62s and 50 PT76s.

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  • lirelou
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    Frisco17 - For most in the US Army, Special Forces are troops who have chosen that branch after previous service elsewhere in the Armed Forces. To take the example of Roger Donlon, who received the first Medal of Honor awarded for Vietnam, he first enlisted in the Air Force. I went from enlisted Special Forces to the Armor Officer Candidate course, then to light infantry, and then to an Armored Division where I commanded two companies in addition to being an Armor battalion and brigade logistics officer. Colonel Francis J. Kelly, one of the 5th SFG's commanders in Vietnam, was also Armor.

    However, we were officers at a time when there was no special forces branch for officers. I might've met two former tankers in the Special Forces enlisted ranks in my career, so you are right. Tankers in SF are as rare as hen's teeth.

    Acheron. The maximum age for serving in a tank crew in the Israeli Army is 33. After that they are considered too old in the reflex department. In 1989 I climbed into an M-1 tank and, frankly, was lost. I assume the Cubans had or have 1960s tanks at best. The Syrians may be better armed. Also, Cuba's environment limits the tank to a infantry support platform. Syria's environment and terrain would demand more if the opposition has tanks or highly sophisticated anti-tank systems.

    Tank battalions are very expensive from a maintenance viewpoint. They can break a torsion bar just sitting in the tank park. If anyone had data on Cuban tanks, training, and maintenance, I'd be very happy to see it. You can run a light infantry division on what it costs to keep a single medium tank battalion going, which is why you generally see lightly armored wheeled and the rare tracked vehicles in Third World armored units.

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  • frisco17
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    Good point. After all in some countries "special forces" just means the guys that don't look into the wrong end of their rifles or run at the first sight of an enemy.
    Last edited by frisco17; 16 Oct 15, 14:04.

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  • dgfred
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    They are 'special' to Fidel .

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  • Acheron
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    I know nothing about the Cuban military, but since they were the USSR's allies I would presume them to have Soviet tanks, just like the Syrians, no?

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  • frisco17
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    Originally posted by lirelou View Post
    An unnamed official from an unnamed US government agency said, to someone from a Cuban-American think tank at the Uni of Miami, that Cuban Special Forces are going to be manning Syrian tanks.
    What kind of "Special Forces" ever have any experience of any kind with tanks? SF all but means light infantry. I know those words get abused a lot but this is just silly.

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  • jonny87kz
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