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    In just a matter of months this humble fellow seems to have captured the hearts of millions. After being welcomed to Brazil as a rock star to kick off the World Youth Day trip, Pope Francis addressed a crowd of 3 million from all over the world on Copacabana Beach (more than both of Obama's inaugurations combined) after having visited a favela in one of Rio's most dangerous neighborhoods.

    Recently Francis has struck a different tone regarding gay priests and homosexuality in and outside of the Church:

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...320888608.html

    Despite skepticism after his election, I'd say this guy is shaking things up in a remarkably short amount of time and people are noticing.

    Thoughts?
    "I am the Lorax, and I'll yell and I'll shout for the fine things on earth that are on their way out!"

    ~Dr. Seuss, The Lorax


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    The benefit of the doubt at least for now - he does seem to operate closer to the Christian ideal as I understand it, considering his room to manoeuvre is likely limited he deserves some credit imho.
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    • #3
      The new Pope's continued emphasis on helping the poor and marginalized in society, and returning to the core values Jesus espoused, will likely have him branded as a radical Socialist.

      Just as Jesus himself would likely be were he to re-appear today.


      Philip
      "The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts." Bertrand Russell

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      • #4
        Originally posted by PhilipLaos View Post
        The new Pope's continued emphasis on helping the poor and marginalized in society, and returning to the core values Jesus espoused, will likely have him branded as a radical Socialist.
        When he offloads the untold riches the Vatican has to feed and cloth the poor I'll believe he's any different from the rest of the crooks that institution has produced over the last couple of thousand year.
        Matthew 5:9 Blessed are the cheesemakers

        That's right bitches. I'm blessed!

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        • #5
          I like him so far.

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          • #6
            Well, according to the Prophecy of the Popes, he is the last one-until the Second Coming during his time in office.
            "A common thug can kill someone, but it takes the talents of an intelligence service to make a murder appear to be a suicide or accident death." -- James Angleton, CIA, Chief of Counterintelligence.

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            • #7
              To honor the first year of Pope Francis' papacy, the Vatican issued a commemorative medal Tuesday. One problem...they spelled "Jesus" wrong on the medal.





              One side of the coin, depicts Francis with the phrase in Latin: "Vidit ergo Lesus publicanum ey quia miserando antque eligendo vidit, ait illi sequre me."
              "Stand for the flag ~ Kneel for the fallen"

              "A wise man can learn more from a foolish question than a fool can learn from a wise answer." ~ Bruce Lee

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Wellington95 View Post
                ...

                Thoughts?
                I'm thinking the connection to Latin America is pretty thin? Were you going somewhere else with this?
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by GCoyote View Post
                  I'm thinking the connection to Latin America is pretty thin? Were you going somewhere else with this?
                  I'm not sure we're on the same page. This is a thread from over two months ago I started to talk about any reactions to the Pope's activities over the summer.

                  Regarding the connection to South America, I can't find one feasible reason why it wouldn't be a strong one, you? His grand reception in Brazil being but one example...
                  "I am the Lorax, and I'll yell and I'll shout for the fine things on earth that are on their way out!"

                  ~Dr. Seuss, The Lorax


                  "The trouble with Scotland...is that it's full of Scots!"

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                  • #10
                    I was thinking the same thing for some reason...now it makes sense.
                    "Stand for the flag ~ Kneel for the fallen"

                    "A wise man can learn more from a foolish question than a fool can learn from a wise answer." ~ Bruce Lee

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                    • #11
                      Re OP

                      I do believe the new broom is sweeping clean. If he continues on his present path he will be a breath of fresh air.

                      Without dealing with the failings of officials he will not succeed in renewing faith in the church. Priests are expected to be celibate. There are no female priests. These are matters that need to be addressed as soon as possible. Culpability for sex crimes committed by priests should be accepted in a fuller manner.

                      Being a Franciscan he ought to be able to help the poor. The wealth of the church is well-known and it would be good for that wealth to be used wisely to help the less fortunate.
                      The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. Thomas Jefferson.

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                      • #12
                        He is also reaching out to LGBT Catholics and that is unprecedented.


                        Pope Francis penned a personal response to a letter sent to him in June by a group of gay and lesbian Italian Catholics, reports The Tablet, which bills itself as "the international Catholic news weekly."

                        Italian Catholic LGBT group Kairos of Florence wrote a letter to the pope in June, asking for "openness and dialogue" and noting that a lack of such "always feeds homophobia," according to the paper. While Kairos and other groups of LGBT Catholics have written to previous popes, Francis's reply marks the first time the leader of the Catholic Church has formally responded.

                        The group declined to reveal the contents of its original letter or of Pope Francis's response, but confirmed that the pope issued his blessing to Kairos and its members. Kairos also received a letter from the Vatican's secretariat of state, which reportedly said Pope Francis "really enjoyed" the letter and the way it was written, according to The Tablet.

                        http://www.advocate.com/politics/rel...-gay-catholics
                        "Stand for the flag ~ Kneel for the fallen"

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by PhilipLaos View Post
                          The new Pope's continued emphasis on helping the poor and marginalized in society, and returning to the core values Jesus espoused, will likely have him branded as a radical Socialist.

                          Just as Jesus himself would likely be were he to re-appear today.


                          Philip
                          I'm pretty sure Jesus espoused charity and they aren't the same thing. No one can say what his position would have been if Roman soldiers had been going around forcefully redistributing people's money since that never happened. That concept didn't even exist at the time.
                          "Artillery lends dignity to what might otherwise be a vulgar brawl." - Frederick the Great

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by PhilipLaos View Post
                            The new Pope's continued emphasis on helping the poor and marginalized in society, and returning to the core values Jesus espoused, will likely have him branded as a radical Socialist.

                            Just as Jesus himself would likely be were he to re-appear today.


                            Philip
                            Politically speaking, perhaps.

                            Socially quite unlikely.
                            Two roads diverged in a yellow wood,
                            And sorry I could not travel both
                            And be one traveler, long I stood
                            ...
                            Two roads diverged in a wood, and I,
                            I took the one less traveled by,
                            And that has made all the difference.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Cosmos View Post

                              Being a Franciscan he ought to be able to help the poor.
                              I'm pretty sure he's not a Franciscan.
                              Michele

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