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  • GRA

    You are correct to wonder why Richard Case Nagell was not eliminated sooner than 11/01/95 of a supposed "heart disease" at his home. Why not in that prison system he fled to in which the Deep State could still have reached him for termination? This is exactly why I am greatly suspect of RCN actions.

    I seems to me initially, in 1963, he truthfully had that revelation and tried to tell the world of the coming Coup of 1963. He did go into the prison system in great fear of his life but once there he seemed to have been ignored by the Deep State. Was he not one of the first threats to exploding the lone communist gunman theory? Yes, he was briefly but remember this said initial Plan A was replaced at the last moments with Plan B that LHO was a lone nut gunman (the Dulles Commission oh excuse me the Warren Commission). Importantly, this Plan B was compromised fairly quickly by loose talking mobsters, James Hoffa and John Roselli, trying to blackmail the Deep State to prevent their going to prison (remember post #766). They and their attorney Edward P. Morgan begun telling about other conspirators with LHO so the lone nut theory was crashing. Therefore the impact of RCN revelations (of other conspirators than LHO) began to become less important and threating while he was in prison thus no real need to eliminate him. The CIA had now already created a Plan C that was close to RNC original story of conspirators but not high level folks.

    It seems plausible to me that RCN, while in prison, had a "come to (CIA)Jesus moment" and resigned himself to his CIA mothership. Could he have been refurbished and reoriented by the CIA and sent as his old double agent self into the Jim Garrison camp in 1968 to ascertain exactly what was going on inside Garrison's investigation? We know already that the CIA had a massive program aim at Garrison why not use RCN as their already trained dog. He was successful and gaining entry into Garrison enter circle as Garrison said "his account not easy to digest. I concluded that I would probably have to chalk up ------to experience."

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    • Originally posted by Bo Archer View Post
      GRA

      You are correct to wonder why Richard Case Nagell was not eliminated sooner than 11/01/95 of a supposed "heart disease" at his home. Why not in that prison system he fled to in which the Deep State could still have reached him for termination? This is exactly why I am greatly suspect of RCN actions.

      I seems to me initially, in 1963, he truthfully had that revelation and tried to tell the world of the coming Coup of 1963. He did go into the prison system in great fear of his life but once there he seemed to have been ignored by the Deep State. Was he not one of the first threats to exploding the lone communist gunman theory? Yes, he was briefly but remember this said initial Plan A was replaced at the last moments with Plan B that LHO was a lone nut gunman (the Dulles Commission oh excuse me the Warren Commission). Importantly, this Plan B was compromised fairly quickly by loose talking mobsters, James Hoffa and John Roselli, trying to blackmail the Deep State to prevent their going to prison (remember post #766). They and their attorney Edward P. Morgan begun telling about other conspirators with LHO so the lone nut theory was crashing. Therefore the impact of RCN revelations (of other conspirators than LHO) began to become less important and threating while he was in prison thus no real need to eliminate him. The CIA had now already created a Plan C that was close to RNC original story of conspirators but not high level folks.

      It seems plausible to me that RCN, while in prison, had a "come to (CIA)Jesus moment" and resigned himself to his CIA mothership. Could he have been refurbished and reoriented by the CIA and sent as his old double agent self into the Jim Garrison camp in 1968 to ascertain exactly what was going on inside Garrison's investigation? We know already that the CIA had a massive program aim at Garrison why not use RCN as their already trained dog. He was successful and gaining entry into Garrison enter circle as Garrison said "his account not easy to digest. I concluded that I would probably have to chalk up ------to experience."
      I agree with this theory however, simply put, once he committed the aggravated felony crime that sent him to prison he was no longer deemed a credible source of information. As long as he kept his mouth shut he was no longer a threat and they already had a long list of mysteriously dead and/or disappeared witnesses.

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      • Here's some interesting stuff I've never seen before with lots of names I've never heard of. Haven't had time to check out all the hyperlinks but I will get back to them soon enough.

        Regardless ... thought Y'all might enjoy the reading if any of this has never been seen before:

        http://www.oocities.org/capitolhill/...Documents.html

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        • Here's a list of the witnesses. Might be relative to one of the posts above:

          http://www.maebrussell.com/Disappear...Witnesses.html

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          • GRA, Can't help you on the Cubans. The only ones I knew and worked with or for were those who had been commissioned into the US Army (in 1964) after the Bay of Pigs (Playa Giron). These had all been members of the 2506 Brigade, Esteban Beruvides, Felix Perez, Luis Barcena, Sanchez, Olivares, and a host of others who retired as Army colonels. And all served in the US Army in Vietnam.

            They initially had officer serial numbers beginning with a "C".

            Quick war story: We had a MIKE Force company with three or four Mexican-American Sergeants in it who often communicated in Spanish over the radio. In any event, one of our members ran into a friend from MACVSOG in Ban Me thuot the following month who confided that they were looking for a group of Cubans who had been picked up on a voice intercept. Apparently the 'hit' had come from the AO our Chicanos had been in that month. Our best guess was that the radio research guys couldn't tell the difference between Tex-Mex and Cuban Spanish.
            dit: Lirelou

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            • GRA

              Outstanding attachments placed in our citizens prosecution process within this Cope's Court of Justice. It will take some length of time looking over and studying these suppose evidence items. Many are well known to advance researchers and there is a need here to make all available for our noble viewers. Some we have discussed lightly which need more research and others obscure while yet several are clear and useless rabbit holes purposely set to distract. I am thrilled you have the photos handy for viewing at this one place. Note never stop looking over old materials as new revelations cause us a chance here and there to find an important gem of evidence we overlooked in the past. Thank You!

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              • Originally posted by lirelou View Post
                Quick war story: We had a MIKE Force company with three or four Mexican-American Sergeants in it who often communicated in Spanish over the radio. In any event, one of our members ran into a friend from MACVSOG in Ban Me thuot the following month who confided that they were looking for a group of Cubans who had been picked up on a voice intercept. Apparently the 'hit' had come from the AO our Chicanos had been in that month. Our best guess was that the radio research guys couldn't tell the difference between Tex-Mex and Cuban Spanish.
                I can definitely imagine this happening in a military environment, regardless of whatever war we're in ...


                Lirelou; The reason I asked about "Raul" (a Cuban) is something you might find noteworthy.

                When reading one of the many articles I've read about our POW(s) in Vietnam, I read there was a Spanish-speaker named Raul (a Cuban) that was used by the NVA as an interrogator in one or more of their camps. Supposedly he was extremely brutal with our GI(s), both in attempts to extract information and in general everyday activities. He was both notorious and very well known in other POW camps where he may never have been, due of course to his reputation.

                Years later, after the war and the alleged return of "all POW(s) in North Vietnam", one or more of our former POW(s) discovered him working in a diplomatic position in the UN building in the USA. A protest was initiated but of course Cuba denied this and pointing him out to certain US officials as "Yes, that's him", was deemed insufficient proof (for what ever reason - I mean for crying out loud, I think it would be hard NOT to remember somebody that was as brutal toward you has this savage was). Regardless, he somehow disappeared one day overnight yet later surfaced in the Miami area under asylum. I don't know what happens of there and/or if the sighting in Miami was ever confirmed.

                I've always been curious if our GI(s) ever encountered any Cubans in Vietnam working of the NVA like the Chinese and Russians supposedly were, and if so the was Fidel's response to us trying to kill him ... ???

                That was one of the reasons I mentioned the Cubans, for whatever it was worth.

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                • I've heard or "Raul" on some veteran's forums, but never heard anything about him while in service. I didn't go into intelligence until after I retired, when there was very little interest in POW matters except in the office that handled MIA queries.

                  Puerto Rico lost a militant marxist from the University (Student's) Front in Favor of Independence (FUPI), allegedly killed by US aircraft while visiting the "front" (NFI) with his hosts, so it's quite possible there were some Cubans there as well. If I were in Miami, I'd wander down to SW 8th Street and ask some of the domino players. No internet searche of mine turned up anything on a Cuban torturer of US POWs.
                  dit: Lirelou

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                  • Please allow yet another suspect defendant who may have played a key role in the Coup of 1963.

                    John Alston Crichton served with the Office of Strategic Services (OSS) where he likely knew Allen Dulles. After the war, he tried to assist Franco's fascist government to find oil in Spain. In 1953, he became Vice President of Empire Trust Company who one writer called a company "something like a private CIA." ETC was a major investor in the defense contractor General Dynamic. It was also the financiers of the powerful influential United Fruit Company. The latter's legal representation rested with Allen Dulles in his powerful lawyer company Sullivan Cromwell. Fidel Castro kicked out United Fruit Company out of Cuba around 1956 making enemies.

                    By 1956, Jack Alston Crichton strangely was allowed by Federal government to create his own spy unit of military intelligence called the 488th Military Intelligence Detachment under the Eisenhower Administration. It had about 100 men of which 30 or 40 were active members of the Dallas Police Department. Meanwhile, Crichton was employed as one of a number of powerful Oil Barons in the Dallas area. He owned Nafco Oil and Gas among other oil and gas assets. He was close friends and working relationships with other Texas Oil Barons like H.L. Hunt, D. Harold Byrd, Clint Murchison Sr..

                    Upon JFK arrival in Dallas, Crichton detachment was placed under the command of Lt. Col. George Whitmeyer, Commanding Officer of the Northern District of Texas. This group, long with the Dallas Mayor Earle Cabell (brother to CIA high rank Charles Cabell) were responsible for the security arrangements and travel route for JFK that would led to his assassination site. Within five hours of the death of JFK, Crichton caused a Russian exiled man named Ilya Mamantov (a likely CIA asset) to be appointed by way of Dallas Police Department to be the official translator for LHO wife Russian born and Russian speaking Marina Oswald. Mamantov was reported to have been very liberal in the interpretations and his version was that LHO was a leftist and a lone gunman. Jim Garrison would claimed that Crichton and other military intelligence agents met with H.L. Hunt after killing JFK but could never get the details of their conversations.

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                    • Bo Archer, please explain how Fidel Castro kicked United Fruit Company out of Cuba in 1956 if Fidel didn't take power until 1959. Indeed, he was in Mexico throughout most of 1956, landing in Cuba on 2 December that same year.
                      dit: Lirelou

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                      • Thank you that would be after Castor took power.
                        Last edited by Bo Archer; 15 Oct 16, 13:44.

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                        • Castro was getting supplies from CIA /Mafia sources in the late 50s in some kind of weird hedge your bets nonsense with Batista. United fruit and other US business interests including the mob was only dealt with by Castro in 1960

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                          • I forgot to add some other available information that some researchers believe very important.

                            Crichton's Detactment and Lt. Col. George Whitmeyer were under the higher command of Col. Lumpkin. Lumpkin was the highest ranking Army Reserve officer for the State of Texas. Lumpkin was also the Chief Deputy of the entire Dallas Police Department under the supposed highly corrupted Sheriff Bill Decker.

                            Remember Sheriff Decker in our above postings on Decker's Criminal Investigator Deputy E.R. "Buddy" Walthers?

                            Upon JFK arrival in Dallas on that fateful day, JFK's convoy had a point pilot vehicle for suppose security arrangements. At last minutes, a new party was enrolled to occupy this vital vehicle. Its driver was none other than our above Colonel Lumpkin and one of its passengers our cited Lt. Col. George Whitmeyer. Perhaps very significantly this pivot vehicle made a complete halt directly in front of the Dallas Book Depository (that contained the primary sniper nest) on the sidewalk in front thereof. At this stop, the occupants engaged in an unknown conversation with an unidentified Dallas law officer in uniform and then slowly drove on directly in front of JFK vehicle at its immediate approach. Was this a communication to all that they were clear to fire at will upon JFK?????

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                              • Absolutely. Check back at least the last 5-10 pages. Please feel free to search and post to your heart's content.

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