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  • Originally posted by Pruitt View Post
    I remember reading in one of Joseph Wambaugh's books about how two British sailors jumped ship off of Baja California three hundred something years ago. That means that now "Smith" is a fairly common Hispanic name in Southern California. It can go both ways. The Spanish brought Scot and Irish mercenaries to garrison Louisiana when they took control. The Henry and McCall families in Cameron Parish got there by this route. I went to school with many Corbellos. I thought the name was Italian. It is actually a bunch of Corbuellos from South Texas!

    There are as many Cajun families with English, Irish, Spanish and German names as there are French names. Gringos have been settling in Cuba a long time!

    Pruitt
    Simon Bolivar's agents recruited a lot of Smiths (and Jones and Browns etc etc) from the British Army at the end of the Peninsular war. They were 7 year experienced soldiers who could speak Spanish. The NCOs usually got a commission often more than one jump in rank. Not a bad option for a guy whose only trade was soldiering.

    However it does work both ways, when one of my ancestors landed in what was to become New England one of the "locals" greeted them in English and asked if they had any beer. He had been to Europe twice with the fishing fleet from the Grand Banks. Whereas the majority don't travel very far there are always a few hardy individuals who went incredibly long distances.
    Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe (H G Wells)
    Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens (Friedrich von Schiller)

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      Thanks for turning me on to Mary Ferrel website! I marked it quickly as a favorite and vow to study here at length. First thing I hit was the video of Peter Dale Scott and David Talbot. It was outstanding stuff!

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      • Let us have a moment of fond memory for US Army PFC Eugene B. Dinisin while we had recently posted about the infamous French Special Forces snipers in hire of the Corisican Mob centered at Marseilles, France. Eugene Dinisin was a cryptographic code operator stationed at Metz, France around the time that the rogue military intelligence/CIA were in talks planning an assassination contract with the said France Special Forces/Corisicans rogues. Eugene Dinisin was able to ascertain by way of top secret code communications between these two rogue groups that passed through Dinisin communication nerve center that JFK was their target. Dinisin was able to put together the following which was initially reported by him: "former French OAS" snipers, "recruited by politicans in Texas" (the OIL BARONS), for rogue "US military" elements, combined with "ultra right wing economic group" (John Birch Society?)

        Note how closely this matches some of the most plausible theories from the advanced specialists. Yet poor little Eugene was recaptured and put through an advance military medical hospital mental treatment, for I think 9 months, and he came out a babbling idiot to disappear forever afterwards.

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        • The Internet has to be treated with caution though Bo. If you haven't already looked at some of the books I've mentioned do so. There you will find the heavy work.

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          • Found a new one ... what do you all think about mortician Liggett?

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            • Originally posted by Bwaha View Post
              The reason for 'Nam was the Golden Triangle.

              Imo that's why JFK was offed. He didn't want to do it.
              Interesting point again. I commented on this article a while back:

              http://www.wnd.com/2013/10/corsican-...ay-jfk-killed/

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              • Originally posted by Bo Archer View Post
                Does anyone think it possible, as I am inclined to, that the sage of the late E. Howard Hunt book and his so called death bed confession constitutes, as close as we will ever in history get from the CIA and associates, as near as possible a CIA bungling and sheepish attempt at a somewhat confess to the American people and the World that yes indeed JFK was assassinated in a high level conspiracy. However, the American people and the World reaction to their careful release of this confession CIA program through Hunt was a complete shock to them as there was very little response and not enough believe in the said confessional cleansing of guilt. This caused them some great pause and lengthy reflection of waiting for the shoe to drop or next bump in the road to come.

                This in my view this is their only confession we will ever see. It is partial due to many key low level, but active at the scene, key participates are given up but an effective wall is constructed to protect the high level power elites who called and approved the coup of 1963. I make this leap for myself due to my observations that much of Hunt's confess very well matches much of the believable story lines of the most effective researchers. The CIA and associated others can live with this as the blame is place on break away CIA units working on their own thus the upper levels are protected. My understanding is that the CIA is to past away soon into a super powerful military secret strike force and be history anyway so why not in their minds clear the air about JFK and move on.
                I would have to agree with you 100%. Good points here.

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                • Just got this link. It's a collection of the witnesses that have mysteriously disappeared. Thought Y'all might find it interesting reading ... (???)

                  Here it is:

                  http://www.maebrussell.com/Disappear...Witnesses.html

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                  • Thank you GRA for your recent posting to this august forum. May the dead get their day of justice in this World and the Spiritual World!

                    Please allow me this posting from the book TAKING CHARGE: THE JOHNSON WHITE HOUSE TAPES, 1963-1964 by editor author MICHAEL R. BESCHLOSS. It's important to those of us who venture to disclose that LBJ regime was a militant change from the JFK government that reflects the great crime therein (expanding the war in Vietnam to a USA ground troops invasion and not withdrawing as per JFK). A part of a host of reasons for the death of JFK.

                    Thursday, February 20, 1964

                    ROBERT McNamara 11:45 A.M.

                    (In my humble opinion LBJ is berating McNamara and taunting him over his past actions in service with JFK and their movement toward withdrawing from Vietnam now terminated by the Coup of 1963.)

                    LBJ: "Now this nation has made no commitment to go in there (Vietnam with ground troops) AS YET. We're in there to train them (SVN army) and advise them, and that's what we're doing. Nobody really understands what it is out there and they don't know and they're getting to where they're confused. And they're asking questions and saying WHY DON'T WE DO MORE (send in US ground troops and bombing)."

                    "We did it in Greece and Turkey with the Truman Doctrine, by sending them men. We did it in Western Europe by NATO. ------But we do have COMMITMENT TO HELP (Eisenhower letter to Diem made that commitment) Vietnamese defend themselves. ....... But our purpose is to train these people and our training is going good, (no need to withdraw) and we're trying to train them."

                    MCNAMARA: "All right sir, I'll get right on it."

                    LBJ: "I don't know if I've anything there that I shouldn't say."

                    MCNAMARA: "No, no."

                    LBJ: "I always thought it was foolish for you to make any statements about withdrawing (from Vietnam). I thought it was bad psychologically (in eyes of the world in so far as US image). But you and the President (JFK) thought otherwise and I just sat silent (in great anger and rage). Now you've made them (withdrawal justifications). And I asked for your explanation and you gave a good explanation (a taunt). Not a damn bit of use to have a thousand people sitting around guarding something that they don't need to guard (showing LBJ anger at JFK and McNamara removing those one thousand before LBJ took over in the coup).

                    MCNAMARA: "No question about that, Mr. President. The problem is"

                    LBJ: "----how in the hell does McNamara think that when he's losing the war that he can pull men out of it?"

                    MCNAMARA: "Well, he's"

                    LBJ: "McNamara's is not fighting a war------He's just made a commitment to train them to fight (but no commitment for US ground troops under JFK term). And if he trains them to fight and they won't fight, he can't do anything about it (as he did not call for US ground troops). Then he's got to choose whether he wants to fight (introduction of US ground troops) or let them (Viet Cong communists) have it (all of Vietnam)."
                    Last edited by Bo Archer; 06 Aug 16, 21:26.

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                    • Nothing will surprise me about LBJ may have ever said or did regarding Vietnam and JFK. Interesting post ended.

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                      • Here's more from TAKING CHARGE by EDITOR MICHAEL R. BESCHOLSS:

                        J. EDGAR HOOVER
                        10:30 A.M.

                        BESCHOLSS commentary: "President Kennedy's funeral ceremonies are to begin in an hour. Johnson, in a bad humor is under pressure to appoint a presidential commission to investigate the Kennedy assassination. He would prefer to leave the investigation to the FBI and state of Texas. Knowing that Hoover will agree, he asks the FBI Director for help."

                        LBJ: "Apparently some lawyer in Justice is lobbying with the POST (Washington Post newspaper) because that's where the suggestion came from for this presidential commission, which we think would be VERY BAD and put it RIGHT IN THE WHITE HOUSE (meaning dangerously close to LBJ). We can't be checking up on every shooting scrape (LBJ demeaning the killing of JFK) in the country, but they've gone to the POST now to get em an editorial, and the POST is calling up and saying they've going to run an editorial if we don't do things {Indeed the POST ran an editorial the next day saying that to investigate the assassination at state and local level would not be enough} Now we're going to do two things and I wanted you to know about it. One we believe the way to handle this, as we said yesterday, your suggestion, that you put every facility at your command making a full report to the (US Federal) Attorney General and then they make it available to the country in whatever form may seem desirable. Second it's a (Texas under LBJ and his Oil Baron controllers) state matter, too, and the (Texas) state Attorney General is young and able and prudent and cooperative with you (meaning FBI compliant and a friend of LBJ). He's going to run a Court of Inquiry, which is provided by (Texas) state law,--------we don't start invading local jurisdictions (meaning stay away from Carlos Marcello New Orleans jurisdiction especially) that way and he understands what you're doing (Hoover's cover up) and he's for it (meaning both Hoover and Texas AG do not get their cover up operations in conflict and be exposed to media)----------"

                        HOOVER: "We'll both work together (meaning Hoover and the Texas AG) on it."

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                        • Originally posted by Bo Archer View Post
                          Here's more from TAKING CHARGE by EDITOR MICHAEL R. BESCHOLSS:

                          J. EDGAR HOOVER
                          10:30 A.M.

                          BESCHOLSS commentary: "President Kennedy's funeral ceremonies are to begin in an hour. Johnson, in a bad humor is under pressure to appoint a presidential commission to investigate the Kennedy assassination. He would prefer to leave the investigation to the FBI and state of Texas. Knowing that Hoover will agree, he asks the FBI Director for help."

                          LBJ: "Apparently some lawyer in Justice is lobbying with the POST (Washington Post newspaper) because that's where the suggestion came from for this presidential commission, which we think would be VERY BAD and put it RIGHT IN THE WHITE HOUSE (meaning dangerously close to LBJ). We can't be checking up on every shooting scrape (LBJ demeaning the killing of JFK) in the country, but they've gone to the POST now to get em an editorial, and the POST is calling up and saying they've going to run an editorial if we don't do things {Indeed the POST ran an editorial the next day saying that to investigate the assassination at state and local level would not be enough} Now we're going to do two things and I wanted you to know about it. One we believe the way to handle this, as we said yesterday, your suggestion, that you put every facility at your command making a full report to the (US Federal) Attorney General and then they make it available to the country in whatever form may seem desirable. Second it's a (Texas under LBJ and his Oil Baron controllers) state matter, too, and the (Texas) state Attorney General is young and able and prudent and cooperative with you (meaning FBI compliant and a friend of LBJ). He's going to run a Court of Inquiry, which is provided by (Texas) state law,--------we don't start invading local jurisdictions (meaning stay away from Carlos Marcello New Orleans jurisdiction especially) that way and he understands what you're doing (Hoover's cover up) and he's for it (meaning both Hoover and Texas AG do not get their cover up operations in conflict and be exposed to media)----------"

                          HOOVER: "We'll both work together (meaning Hoover and the Texas AG) on it."
                          Doesn't surprise me one bit. Interesting he ordered the report to go to Bobby Kennedy.

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                          • It would seem that LBJ and Hoover believed it brilliant if they could get US Attorney General Bobby Kennedy to sign off on Hoover's drivel (would include claiming Oswald was a lone wolf assassin and no conspiracy) it would constitute a solid defense from impeachment. One does wonder if Bobby Kennedy would have signed off on such a declaration being Kennedy (and Kennedy family) suspected a conspiracy. It could be Bobby Kennedy's own continued suspicion over said issue may have eventually lead to his own assassination.

                            Let me enter an additional editor's commentary about the LBJ and Hoover conversation that day found on same page and source:

                            "Suspecting that Kennedy was killed by a conspiracy, Johnson wished to close off public speculation about Oswald's foreign connections to forestall public outrage that might lead to pressure on him to wage some kind of revenge assault against Cuba or the Soviet Union. On his first night as President, horrified to learn that Dallas prosecutors were threatening to charge Oswald with killing Kennedy to further "a communist conspiracy," LBJ ordered aides to get the Dallas district attorney in line to encourage a Texas Court of Inquiry (Washington Post, November 14,1993)

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                            • Let me enter an additional editor's commentary about the LBJ and Hoover conversation that day found on same page and source:

                              "Suspecting that Kennedy was killed by a conspiracy, Johnson wished to close off public speculation about Oswald's foreign connections to forestall public outrage that might lead to pressure on him to wage some kind of revenge assault against Cuba or the Soviet Union. On his first night as President, horrified to learn that Dallas prosecutors were threatening to charge Oswald with killing Kennedy to further "a communist conspiracy," LBJ ordered aides to get the Dallas district attorney in line to encourage a Texas Court of Inquiry (Washington Post, November 14,1993)[/QUOTE]

                              Let's develop a little more though upon the above claiming to be Michael R. Bescholss commentary sourced some part with Washington Post. It appears to me to be a deliberate stumbling block to imply sole intentions of LBJ to keep investigation of JFK killing privately confined to State of Texas hearing (but it would indeed later become a privately confined Federal level so called Warren Commission hearing) so that it may not allow general public inflammation of emotions to the point of through public disturbances force the Federal government to commence war upon Cuba and likely lead to war with the Soviet War. This being because the responsible killing faction had initially setup a false flag operation in which Oswald was a communist Agent for Cuba. However this carefully constructed rationalization appears to me one of total falsehood from what is known presently.

                              Having studied the work of Douglas Horne, we know the initial killing faction's scenario was terminated by agreement with the dominate revival faction and an agreement was reached (they may have Vietnam not Cuba) in that Oswald would be a lone wolf without conspiracy. I am saying there was no chance of war upon Cuba as a high level federal national security agencies had agreement to prevent it. Therefore LBJ sole objective was to prevent the public disclosure of the real guilty parties who took part in the Great Coup of 1963 (himself included as their mere tool). Why did LBJ get so upset over the actions of the City of Dallas prosecutor's actions cited above?

                              The City AG was under the jurisdiction of the City Mayor, Earle Cabell, who in turn is the brother to former USAF Lt. General Charles Cabell former Deputy Director of the CIA for Operations. The latter and CIA Director Allen Dulles were fired by JFK for their attempt to provoke war upon Cuba and disobeying direct orders from JFK in Bay of Pigs hoax invasion. Charles Cabell and Allen Dulles represented the violence and very dangerous original faction that was suppose to have been in agreement with the faction LBJ was controlled by. It appears dear old brother Charles and friends still attempted to cause arrest and charges upon Oswald as a communist Agent of Cuba. A breach of violation among the killers of JFK.

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                              • If we may remember the theory of Douglas Horne and other related serious researchers the co-conspirators of the Coup of 1963 have been feeling very good about themselves for several years. Former CIA Director Allen Dulles has successful controlled the federal investigation via the so called Warren Commission with result most of American public believe Oswald to be a lone wolf and there was no conspiracy. As a backup, if things get too dicey they may fall back on their revival faction's initial falsehood that Oswald was a communist agent under control of communist Castro. No one should now break through and find the truth that indeed there existed a high level conspiracy that killed JFK. However something went terrible wrong in 1967 and the following taped evidence discloses LBJ's panic over a revelation threating to expose to the public the terrible truth: New Orleans District Attorney Jim Garrison in opening a investigation of a conspiracy of mafia and Oswald which killed JFK. Ouch!!!!!!!!

                                SATURDAY, FEDRUARY 18, 1967

                                RAMSEY CLARK
                                ACTING ATTORNEY GENERAL
                                10:39 A.M.

                                Beschloss commentary: "Clark, who was about to become LBJ's third Attorney General, and Cartha "Deke" DeLoach, the FBI liaison to the Johnson White House, helped LBJ keep discreet track of Jim Garrison's freewheeling investigation of Kennedy's murder."

                                CLARK: "I talked to Deke (FBI) further about it yesterday...What he (Garrison) is working on must be the associations the Oswald had in the three, four months he was down there (New Orleans) in '62, '63 ... I think that the subject is volatile and emotional though that it could get confused and obscured. I had heard that Hale Boggs (House Majority Whip, of Louisiana and former Warren Commission member who somewhat dissented from Allen Dulles manhandling the said Commission) was saying that Garrison was saying --- privately around town ---- if he traced back or if you (LBJ) COULD BE FOUND IN IT SOMEPLACE, (Oswald's investigation by Garrison) which I can't believe he's been saying that (LBJ can believe it and he is now in a panic mode). The Bureau says they haven't heard any such thing and they've got lots of eyes and ears (FBI lying) ---- Either that or this guy Garrison is completely off his rocker."

                                LBJ: "Who did Hale (Boggs) tell this to?"

                                CLARK: "Apparently Marvin (Marvin Watson of the White House staff)."

                                LBJ: (LBJ turns to Watson and says to Watson) "Hale tell you -- that this fellow --- district attorney down there --- said that this was TRACED TO ME, or something?"

                                MARVIN WATSON: "Privately he was using your name as HAVING KNOWN ABOUT IT."

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