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  • Arthwys
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    Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
    You know, it occurs to me that the author of this entire incident may well have been JFK himself.

    Think about it: he won the office under allegations of a Mob-tampered election, his screwing around and pain pill addiction were always in grave danger of being exposed, his mid-term was approaching fast.

    So he decides to stage a phony assassination, maybe even have Jackie sniped off. He gets a mass of sympathy, and the planners scatter around leads so he can use any one of several factions as whipping boys to drum up patriotic indignation.

    But instead, he gets hit and dies.

    It could work.

    Or it was simply a nutjob who got lucky, and a lot of over-excited ramblings.

    The Government released their files and Lee Havey remains the prime actor.

    THe next question is: how many more years until this nonsense fades away?
    This whole thing was examined in the Documentary series by the BBC They devoted an entire episode to the JFK assassination here's the excerpt:

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  • Nick the Noodle
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    Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
    You know, it occurs to me that the author of this entire incident may well have been JFK himself.

    Think about it: he won the office under allegations of a Mob-tampered election, his screwing around and pain pill addiction were always in grave danger of being exposed, his mid-term was approaching fast.

    So he decides to stage a phony assassination, maybe even have Jackie sniped off. He gets a mass of sympathy, and the planners scatter around leads so he can use any one of several factions as whipping boys to drum up patriotic indignation.

    But instead, he gets hit and dies.

    It could work.

    Or it was simply a nutjob who got lucky, and a lot of over-excited ramblings.

    The Government released their files and Lee Havey remains the prime actor.

    THe next question is: how many more years until this nonsense fades away?
    The real problem is the same as 911. People in power screwed up. None have been accounted for their failures in either case. Only in the USA could this happen. Anywhere else, heads would roll.

    At its heart, the USA has always been seen by its population to be a meritocracy at heart, ie people of ability are seen to be elected to government or president, say Clinton or Trump.

    Where Trump has succeeded is in highlighting 'Fake News'. Since the dawn of mankind, quantity of information does not equate to quality of information. Operation Fortitude proves how successful that tactic can be, also successfully used by the Tobacco lobby for decades, and now employed by AGW deniers. By highlighting Fake News, people are slowly starting to look at the quality of info presented to them.

    Trump, by accident or design, may be the best president in decades, for making people analyse the data presented to them.

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  • Arnold J Rimmer
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    You know, it occurs to me that the author of this entire incident may well have been JFK himself.

    Think about it: he won the office under allegations of a Mob-tampered election, his screwing around and pain pill addiction were always in grave danger of being exposed, his mid-term was approaching fast.

    So he decides to stage a phony assassination, maybe even have Jackie sniped off. He gets a mass of sympathy, and the planners scatter around leads so he can use any one of several factions as whipping boys to drum up patriotic indignation.

    But instead, he gets hit and dies.

    It could work.

    Or it was simply a nutjob who got lucky, and a lot of over-excited ramblings.

    The Government released their files and Lee Havey remains the prime actor.

    THe next question is: how many more years until this nonsense fades away?

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  • Bo Archer
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    Since Work Permit is showing some first time interest in the murder lets continue in hopes of encouragement. Phil74501 rightly brings up the later Zapruder known statements especially around the time of the Warren (sorry the Allen Dulles Commission) Commission and later Jim Garrison trial. In these statements, I see continued support for my thesis.

    Zapruder had a very dangerous slip of logic where he reports that he "continued filming" upon the outbreak of gunfire. Yes that right! while everyone is shocked to death, at the loud outbreak of heavy rifle fire and diving to the ground all around him, he is standing there calmly filming as he got a job to do and expected the gunfire. Why should we not see this as illogical behavior for an innocent man supposedly not use too hearing loud gunfire?? He further alleged he stop filming just seconds before the fatal gunfire to "save film" thusly he supplied official cover for a possible removal of an important part of the filming maybe proving a conspiracy.

    I consider it very important that he cleverly supported the "only two shots heard" theory which supports the Warren Commission accounting for only two shots being documented with one being the "magical bullet". Note they said it was possible a third bullet but never found or confirmed. Zapruder had provided further Deep State support, both direct and indirectly (which is designed to make him more believable). That support being, despite him standing very close to the Grassy Knoll, he claimed he saw no assassin there nor could he confirm there was gunfire from the Grassy Knoll. That's right folks, despite everyone around him who claimed gunfire from Grassy Knoll he stupidly never heard it from there as if deaf and dumb. He very cleverly gave notice "that I assume" it was possible that those around him claimed to heard gunfire "because he saw people running toward him and the Grassy Knoll". Eddie Barker of CBS News claims Zapruder told him "the Knoll was not involved" in any gunfire. How about that for support of JFK killers!!!!! Lets point out again Zapruder was standing in the only safe place not to be hit by gunfire from the Grassy Knoll in front and the Book Building/DAL-Tex building in rear.

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  • Work_permit
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    Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
    You know, that actually makes sense., in a very disturbing way.

    I often wonder if Castro's people, the Mob, the Deep government, the KGB, and the lackeys of the aliens all tried to snuff JFK, and they all chose the same (obvious) time and place for it.

    This would explain a great deal: because trying to make events fit a single conspiracy it's impossible, but if you have five or six elements each trying to kill JFK, all unaware of each other, You could explain it.

    That way Zapgruder could be a member of an effort to kill JFK, and other cabals try and stop him.

    The question then shifts from 'was it a conspiracy' to 'how many factions were working to kill him that day.
    Reminds me of the movie Casino Royale with Peter Sellers and Woody Allen.

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  • Bo Archer
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    This is going very well so let me continue with my impression that Zapruder appears to be a hired camera man with a job to do for the Deep State. Here is his careful crafted storyline he seems to have preformed to perfection.

    Upon seeing in the newspaper the day before that JFK parade route was changed and now to pass outside his Office, Zapruder declares to his Staff that he plans to watch from his window. He reveals he likes the President and implies he is a Democrat (despite his known association with anti JFK people). Someone at work suggested that he should use that brand new camera he just so happen to have recently purchased by chance (note we are to believe it was not Zapruder's idea to use a camera and that the camera appeared unplanned). The next morning Zapruder appears at work but had declared he innocently and forgetfully left his camera at home unknowingly. His staff had to talk him into rushing home and recover the camera (note we are to being told again Zapruder is not a paid CIA camera man nor was it his idea to use a camera).

    At the very last minute, he and his secretary go out on the street; but he make a point to telling us he changed places several times, until he decides to stand slightly off angle but nearby the Grassy Knoll (thusly we are to believe his chosen position was innocently done and the secretary was with him therefore how could it be a CIA hired job). Note also he is not standing in the direct fire from the Grassy Knoll and at the only position to get a prefect film shot of JFK head. We are to accept this without question.

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  • Arnold J Rimmer
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    Originally posted by Work_permit View Post
    Phil, you clearly have not done your research and are missing the point. The underlying purpose of the JFK conspiracy was the conspiracy itself. And by extension, the bigger the conspiracy the better!

    Looked at in this light, it makes perfect sense. You have a secret operative create a film so that you can have other secret operatives suppress it. Later, others have the opportunity to secretly edit it.

    Its like Keynsian economics, where the government boosts employment by paying people to dig ditches, then paying others to fill them up. Everyone wins!
    You know, that actually makes sense., in a very disturbing way.

    I often wonder if Castro's people, the Mob, the Deep government, the KGB, and the lackeys of the aliens all tried to snuff JFK, and they all chose the same (obvious) time and place for it.

    This would explain a great deal: because trying to make events fit a single conspiracy it's impossible, but if you have five or six elements each trying to kill JFK, all unaware of each other, You could explain it.

    That way Zapgruder could be a member of an effort to kill JFK, and other cabals try and stop him.

    The question then shifts from 'was it a conspiracy' to 'how many factions were working to kill him that day.

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  • Bo Archer
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    phil74501

    Since you appear serious I will continue to exchange with you. I am not an expert upon these matters. Be careful I smell Trolls in the neighborhood trying to disturb Cope's thread!

    The allegation that Zapruder and friends innocently went to the local TV station in ignorance appears to me a simple display by design. The TV station did not have the high advance materials needed to develop Zapruder more advanced modern camera. Supposedly from there, the group moves to a Kodak Company laboratory, and upon arrival, are greeted wonderfully and most graciously, whereupon they are allowed by the Staff to enter and to immediately develop the film; all because Kodak Company are wonderful people untainted by the CIA/FBI. Zapruder gets his copy and the Federals get their copy. This version is not a secret operation as you wrongly claim!

    We are to believe that once Zapruder gave away his film for a fortune of money to the anti communist militant Henry Luce, Zapruder is dissolved of any ability to disclose to the World something he no longer has. Note the World at this point in time does not known the Truth that Henry and Clara Boothe Luce are heavily connected to the CIA and Allen Dulles. It took JFK researchers years to reveal this to the USA Public. Therefore at that time the innocent citizen Zapruder simply sold his film to the wonderful well known magazine owner and all is well in America.

    There is much more one could read about in recent research. It is now known that the original went to a CIA contract company in secret and was worked over by a secret night shift. I saw the author on BOOK TV in recent months and the entire thing is shocking. These developments were done in secret at that time.

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  • Work_permit
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    Originally posted by phil74501 View Post
    But once again, you don't take a film to anywhere, if you're trying to keep something hushed up. That makes no sense whatsoever. I have seen the footage of Zapruder being interviewed by one of the Dallas tv stations on the very day of the assassination, describing what he saw, and saying he filmed everything...it's been on at least one documentary. If you're some secret operative, you don't do that. I used to develop film. When you develop it, you can very easily see what is on it. Plus, there's nothing to stop the tv station from making a copy of it after they've developed it. Back in the old days of film, any tv station of any size had machines that could copy film fairly quickly, that's how tv stations would share footage of an event with other tv stations. That's a heck of a risk the CIA and Zapruder would've been taking to do what you claim. For you claims to be true, then Zapruder is one of the dumbest spooks ever.
    Phil, you clearly have not done your research and are missing the point. The underlying purpose of the JFK conspiracy was the conspiracy itself. And by extension, the bigger the conspiracy the better!

    Looked at in this light, it makes perfect sense. You have a secret operative create a film so that you can have other secret operatives suppress it. Later, others have the opportunity to secretly edit it.

    Its like Keynsian economics, where the government boosts employment by paying people to dig ditches, then paying others to fill them up. Everyone wins!

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  • Arnold J Rimmer
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    I had a guy explain to me that JFK was sniped off because he was going to admit that Roswell was an alien crash, and that growing numbers of aliens were housed in the subterranean levels of Area 51, where they traded technology for US aid in the aliens (the Grays) war with other aliens (might have been lizards, I'm not sure).

    His theory was the the Grays were infiltrating the US government with the purpose of using us to fight their war.

    Years later there was a short lived TV show that looked like it was going to follow that plot. 'Dark Skies' IIRC.

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  • phil74501
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    Originally posted by Bo Archer View Post
    phil74501

    I can plainly see you are in bad need of some serious JFK assassination research. I can only point out a few very bad misunderstanding on your part as it will not be my goal to educate you. I can only encourage.

    It is commonly known that Zapruder is alleged to have carried his film to a local T.V. Station to attempt to DEVELOPE his film not show it to the public as you wrongly claimed. Within hours of the filming, he had a Secret Service operative with him and a Henry Luce operative Charles Douglas Jackson (Time/Life people) paying a very large amount of cash to Zapruder for possession of the film and his work getting it done. Henry Luce kept the film hidden from the US Public for 15 years until Jim Garrison investigation forced the film into the Public eye.

    Therefore your statements of "so all the World could see" and "him making the film public" is a complete falsehood. The fact is just the opposite: Zapruder and the CIA/FBI and Time/Life suppressed one of the most important evidence involved in the assassination of JFK for 15 years. It even gets worse, in that while in their possession, it as fatally altered, which is criminal obstruction of justice. If by the remote chance you are seriously interested, there exist very recent and highly professional works in regards to this issue. I might add that Henry Luce and former CIA Director Allen Dulles are very close dear friends.
    But once again, you don't take a film to anywhere, if you're trying to keep something hushed up. That makes no sense whatsoever. I have seen the footage of Zapruder being interviewed by one of the Dallas tv stations on the very day of the assassination, describing what he saw, and saying he filmed everything...it's been on at least one documentary. If you're some secret operative, you don't do that. I used to develop film. When you develop it, you can very easily see what is on it. Plus, there's nothing to stop the tv station from making a copy of it after they've developed it. Back in the old days of film, any tv station of any size had machines that could copy film fairly quickly, that's how tv stations would share footage of an event with other tv stations. That's a heck of a risk the CIA and Zapruder would've been taking to do what you claim. For you claims to be true, then Zapruder is one of the dumbest spooks ever.

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  • Arnold J Rimmer
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    Originally posted by phil74501 View Post
    I've actually seen someone's theory that the Presidency was Ford's payoff for helping to cover things up when he was on the Warren Commission.

    Now in order to believe that, you have to believe that both Nixon and Agnew were framed in order to get Ford the VP and then the Presidency. Which means, both Nixon and Agnew were/are innocent.
    That's new to me!

    It amazes mean that people are willing to believe that cabals can conduct such devious, complex, and long-range plans, but we can't trade outdated TOW missiles for hostages without it getting all over the news.

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  • Bo Archer
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    phil74501

    I can plainly see you are in bad need of some serious JFK assassination research. I can only point out a few very bad misunderstanding on your part as it will not be my goal to educate you. I can only encourage.

    It is commonly known that Zapruder is alleged to have carried his film to a local T.V. Station to attempt to DEVELOPE his film not show it to the public as you wrongly claimed. Within hours of the filming, he had a Secret Service operative with him and a Henry Luce operative Charles Douglas Jackson (Time/Life people) paying a very large amount of cash to Zapruder for possession of the film and his work getting it done. Henry Luce kept the film hidden from the US Public for 15 years until Jim Garrison investigation forced the film into the Public eye.

    Therefore your statements of "so all the World could see" and "him making the film public" is a complete falsehood. The fact is just the opposite: Zapruder and the CIA/FBI and Time/Life suppressed one of the most important evidence involved in the assassination of JFK for 15 years. It even gets worse, in that while in their possession, it as fatally altered, which is criminal obstruction of justice. If by the remote chance you are seriously interested, there exist very recent and highly professional works in regards to this issue. I might add that Henry Luce and former CIA Director Allen Dulles are very close dear friends.

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  • Work_permit
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    Originally posted by phil74501 View Post
    I've actually seen someone's theory that the Presidency was Ford's payoff for helping to cover things up when he was on the Warren Commission.

    Now in order to believe that, you have to believe that both Nixon and Agnew were framed in order to get Ford the VP and then the Presidency. Which means, both Nixon and Agnew were/are innocent.
    Thats a good one!

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  • phil74501
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    Originally posted by Work_permit View Post
    This conspiracy has no bounds. Ronald Reagan made a COMMERCIAL for the NATIONAL CHAPTER of the CRUSADE FOR A FREE EUROPE

    It all makes sense. By killing Kennedy, you ensure Johnson will become president paving the way for Nixon, a known crook. He will be ousted from office and succeeded by a weak vice president, who will pardon him and be ousted by an even weaker democrat, making Reagan's presidency inevitable!
    I've actually seen someone's theory that the Presidency was Ford's payoff for helping to cover things up when he was on the Warren Commission.

    Now in order to believe that, you have to believe that both Nixon and Agnew were framed in order to get Ford the VP and then the Presidency. Which means, both Nixon and Agnew were/are innocent.

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