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  • Originally posted by copenhagen View Post
    100% agree mate.... Thought that myself. I responded to TM2 above about Hoffa and his death. I know you've looked in to him and Sheeran before and more than me so I don't know if you have any thoughts about that?
    Nothing that hasn't been said already. A low level mobster linked with very high level players walks through an open door in a police station - armed - where the most infamous man of his day is. And then he shoots him dead in front of the world.

    Why would a mob connected guy be so upset about the man that killed the person (via his brother) that had put more heat on the mob since Dewey, and who had reneged on his scratch my back and I'll scratch yours over the mob delivering Chicago to him? Every other mob guy way clinking glasses and cheering over the news.

    I don't know about the CIA connections other than I know the basics of them being in bed with the mob at that time, because when I do get the time to chase this stuff its the mafia angle that most interests me, but your posts on them have tied up a lot of stuff that pops up at the fringes when I read about the mafia of the 50's and 60's.
    Matthew 5:9 Blessed are the cheesemakers

    That's right bitches. I'm blessed!

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    • Originally posted by copenhagen View Post
      100% agree mate.... Thought that myself. I responded to TM2 above about Hoffa and his death. I know you've looked in to him and Sheeran before and more than me so I don't know if you have any thoughts about that?
      Aha. Ahahahaha.

      You meant thoughts on Hoffa, didn't you?

      Well, I'm pretty sure he is dead. I'm also pretty sure that Sheeran did the job. Crims talk a lot of **** sometimes to make themselves look tougher or harder than they really are, but Frank said a couple of things in his last days that make me feel he's on the level.

      The first was that he was the guy that killed 'Crazy' Joe Gallo. There is the belief that three hitters did Gallo, but Sheeran claimed it was him and him only. When a pic of him was shown to witnesses after his death they agreed he was the gunman. Cops interviewed by the author also agreed, but I'm not going to claim that all LEO's were included, as I'm cynical enough to know that the ones that disagreed would be left out for fear of hurting the theory and / or sales.

      The other was about the Hoffa hit. When he described the house it didn't match the house layout that the author went and looked at, but later it was found out that the house had been renovated and would have looked like he described back in 1975. Also his recollection of how and why the house was available was spot on. Tests were done for blood splatters a couple of years ago , and while bood was found it was deemed inconclusive.

      And I'm well aware that witnesses can misrember, and the blood and knowledge of he house could have come from a different hit, but Sheeran and his family all stated that he never got over Jimmy's murder - Jimmy was his best freind - and he began to fall apart and drink more than was good for him after that. Why you'd lie about that in great detail isn't something that makes sense. I've lost a best friend and a best girl and no matter how up I was I wouldn't claim to be the one that did it for a few cheap lines in a book.

      But for those that want to make up their own minds grab a copy of 'I heard you paint houses' and see what you think.
      Matthew 5:9 Blessed are the cheesemakers

      That's right bitches. I'm blessed!

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      • Originally posted by Rojik View Post
        Aha. Ahahahaha.

        You meant thoughts on Hoffa, didn't you?

        Well, I'm pretty sure he is dead. I'm also pretty sure that Sheeran did the job. Crims talk a lot of **** sometimes to make themselves look tougher or harder than they really are, but Frank said a couple of things in his last days that make me feel he's on the level.

        The first was that he was the guy that killed 'Crazy' Joe Gallo. There is the belief that three hitters did Gallo, but Sheeran claimed it was him and him only. When a pic of him was shown to witnesses after his death they agreed he was the gunman. Cops interviewed by the author also agreed, but I'm not going to claim that all LEO's were included, as I'm cynical enough to know that the ones that disagreed would be left out for fear of hurting the theory and / or sales.

        The other was about the Hoffa hit. When he described the house it didn't match the house layout that the author went and looked at, but later it was found out that the house had been renovated and would have looked like he described back in 1975. Also his recollection of how and why the house was available was spot on. Tests were done for blood splatters a couple of years ago , and while bood was found it was deemed inconclusive.

        And I'm well aware that witnesses can misrember, and the blood and knowledge of he house could have come from a different hit, but Sheeran and his family all stated that he never got over Jimmy's murder - Jimmy was his best freind - and he began to fall apart and drink more than was good for him after that. Why you'd lie about that in great detail isn't something that makes sense. I've lost a best friend and a best girl and no matter how up I was I wouldn't claim to be the one that did it for a few cheap lines in a book.

        But for those that want to make up their own minds grab a copy of 'I heard you paint houses' and see what you think.
        I would like to get around to I heard you paint houses. Yes the story goes was that Sheeran did Hoffa and he was in a cremation oven inside 30 minutes. The interesting thing being that him ( missing) Roselli (chopped in half) and Giancana (shot in the face) were all being brought before and or were about to be brought before again the House Select Committee on Assassinations. Hoffa once being told in 1963. "our friend in New Orleans says you owe him big time."

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        • Originally posted by copenhagen View Post
          I would like to get around to I heard you paint houses. Yes the story goes was that Sheeran did Hoffa and he was in a cremation oven inside 30 minutes. The interesting thing being that him ( missing) Roselli (chopped in half) and Giancana (shot in the face) were all being brought before and or were about to be brought before again the House Select Committee on Assassinations. Hoffa once being told in 1963. "our friend in New Orleans says you owe him big time."
          I tend to think that Hoffa was killed more because of a power play over the Teamster's Union and control of its pension funds, than anything to do with JFK, but his unwise I'll say this and I'll say that and who do they think they are messing with sealed his fate.

          I don't think he had any knowledge of what really happened - not enough to convict people anyway - but once he opened his mouth he had to go. Too many powerful men could lose from his rants, be it from JFK or the money trail. His talking could have shone a light on the other cockroaches and made them talk too. Then the cat would have been out of the bag.

          After all 'Three can keep a secret, if two of them are dead.'
          Matthew 5:9 Blessed are the cheesemakers

          That's right bitches. I'm blessed!

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          • From Casino

            Vinny Forlano: He won't talk. Stone is a good kid. Stand-up guy, just like his old man. That's the way I see it.

            Vincent Borelli: I agree. He's solid. A ****in' Marine.

            Americo Capelli: He's okay. He always was. Remo, what do you think?

            Remo Gaggi: Look... why take a chance? At least, that's the way I feel about it.

            Why take a chance?
            Matthew 5:9 Blessed are the cheesemakers

            That's right bitches. I'm blessed!

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            • Originally posted by Rojik View Post
              I tend to think that Hoffa was killed more because of a power play over the Teamster's Union and control of its pension funds, than anything to do with JFK, but his unwise I'll say this and I'll say that and who do they think they are messing with sealed his fate.

              I don't think he had any knowledge of what really happened - not enough to convict people anyway - but once he opened his mouth he had to go. Too many powerful men could lose from his rants, be it from JFK or the money trail. His talking could have shone a light on the other cockroaches and made them talk too. Then the cat would have been out of the bag.

              After all 'Three can keep a secret, if two of them are dead.'
              Oh I agree I think the primary reason was the Teamster issue which he was very foolish over. What did he think they'd do?! I think Hoffa was of an interest to the HSCA though due to informants talking about Hoffa's ranting about blowing up Bobby in Hickory Hill when Bobby's get Hoffa squad were at their height whilst after Marcello and Trafficante. FBI memos also show Hoffa associates paid Ruby money. Of course there's the RFK quote that if he got into the White House Hoffa would never get out of jail. Nixon of course did let him out. One of the caveats being he couldn't hold an office in a union till 1980. The mob found his successor to be more amenable. He ultimately couldn't cope with this this so they killed him for it.
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              • Originally posted by Rojik View Post
                I tend to think that Hoffa was killed more because of a power play over the Teamster's Union and control of its pension funds, than anything to do with JFK
                I would bet my life on that, you are correct, Hoffa did in Hoffa over that crap!

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                • Of 2017...I'd like to know why LHO's name isn't nor has it ever been in the SSDI even though his SSN is known.
                  Youthful Exuberance Is No Match For Old Age And Treachery.

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                  • Originally posted by HMS Jr. View Post
                    Of 2017...I'd like to know why LHO's name isn't nor has it ever been in the SSDI even though his SSN is known.
                    What are you getting at mate? That he's still alive?!

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                    • Originally posted by copenhagen View Post
                      What are you getting at mate? That he's still alive?!
                      Not at all. Just the why of his name not appearing.
                      Youthful Exuberance Is No Match For Old Age And Treachery.

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                      • Originally posted by HMS Jr. View Post
                        Not at all. Just the why of his name not appearing.
                        I've no idea. Not something that is too relevant to me but have a dig if it is to you..

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                        • Originally posted by copenhagen View Post
                          I've no idea. Not something that is too relevant to me but have a dig if it is to you..
                          Depending on how much you were familiar with SSN's might make it relevant to you.
                          Youthful Exuberance Is No Match For Old Age And Treachery.

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                          • Originally posted by HMS Jr. View Post
                            Depending on how much you were familiar with SSN's might make it relevant to you.
                            Well elaborate then your point then.

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                            • Originally posted by copenhagen View Post
                              Well elaborate then your point then.

                              There are a good few, but here's the biggest one to me.

                              For one thing, much has been speculated upon about Oswald's; if any, previous relationship with the CIA.
                              It's also been noted; and I forgot by whom specifically (Blakey, I think?) that when found in Oswald's wallet, the SS card had not been signed...something that people usually do when they receive it...and he had had his awhile before The Day.
                              Then, there's the matter of his prior tax-returns, plus his employment and how he came by the positions.
                              And more along these lines.

                              I used to go through what I thought were more or less sensible reasons (assuming one wanted something hidden for awhile) why the records would be sealed for 54-years after the fact. What's to be gained, who's to gain by it. Then, I considered who filtered and cherry picked what went before the WC and the 1976 Senate Committee. Then, I gave some thought who else was involved in all of this that can and has passed out SS cards before. Then, who stated, and I believe under oath, that they had no previous relationship with LHO.

                              More, a lot more to what I thought about, but it all comes down to the CIA having a closer relationship with LHO than they wanted people to know about...for at least half a century.
                              Youthful Exuberance Is No Match For Old Age And Treachery.

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                              • Originally posted by HMS Jr. View Post
                                More, a lot more to what I thought about, but it all comes down to the CIA having a closer relationship with LHO than they wanted people to know about...for at least half a century.[/FONT][/SIZE]
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