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  • Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
    I'm named after the greatest Briton whom ever could be imagined, worm dirt. That's not saying much, but that's the fact of the matter.

    Still ignoring the suggestion that you actually do something? No surprise there, fan-boy. Make excuses, anything rather than actually do something. C'mon, cope, if you really had read anything besides the endless Net recitations by posters who heard this from a guy at a bar, certainly even you would be inclined to actually find out a fact or two? Well, apparently not-you're just not that guy. Fortunately, my sorrow for your character has plumbed the depths of my sympathy, so no greater harm to my mood will be incurred.

    Why is the idea of exploring a fact so frightening to you?

    Its not that you're gullible enough to believe in the conspiracy, cope-lots of people brighter than you have bought into it, much like offers from Nigerian oil ministers, but that you have no curiosity. Not a single minute spent putting any one of a score of details to a physical test. Its so sad...I really wish I could help you. But you are too fearful, too desperate to cling to this myth.

    The bailiff has me up next, so you'll get the last word today, cope. You'll ignore my suggestions, try to pretend the topic has any significance, and seek to justify your obsession with this bit of historical trivia.

    I'll catch you tomorrow.
    None of the above applies to me and is totally made up by you. Trolling and a liar it was then.

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    • This is a great thread!

      Too bad that a couple of members, who I both consider to be friends of mine, have turned in to a Peter measuring Contest instead!
      Trying hard to be the Man, that my Dog believes I am!

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      • Originally posted by Trung Si View Post
        This is a great thread!

        Too bad that a couple of members, who I both consider to be friends of mine, have turned in to a Peter measuring Contest instead!
        He's trolled this thread many times. He's not interested in discussing just belittling and has little understanding of those issues so all he can do is belittle and makes things up about me. Sorry if you feel the thread has been messed up but then again you have an open mind.

        Your open mind being so this is for you. This is a good summary of the research by one particular author who in this case is a Mafia specialist. As he says the documents are there to show this compelling case. Its just there and people can abuse and make things up about those who postulate it but that's been going on since the 60's not just here by the ignorant and those who cant see beyond what they've been told by the mainstream and instead abuse or worse. Again sorry you feel the thread went off and hope you find this interesting.





        For one of the most in depth if not the most in depth researched book on this with some immense digging of documents are these two books.



        The hidden history of the JFK assassination by Lamar Wadron is a more focused version of the Legacy of Secrecy book which is much more heavy but its all there whether certain people like it or not.
        Last edited by copenhagen; 19 Aug 14, 04:27.

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        • Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
          Fire an Italian rifle at a windshield (safely). Shoot a pig carcass. Learn a few things.

          Recreate what you can re-create. A little hands-on will change your view of that event in ways you can't imagine. Thats how we do it in the real world, and trust me, it is an eye-opener.
          I did that back in 1999. I put a dead pig in an old junker and fired three shots at it with an Italian bolt action. July 16th it was.

          The next thing I know JFK jnr was dead and some kindly old Italian men wanted to talk to me.

          I ain't doing that again.
          Matthew 5:9 Blessed are the cheesemakers

          That's right bitches. I'm blessed!

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          • Originally posted by Rojik View Post
            I did that back in 1999. I put a dead pig in an old junker and fired three shots at it with an Italian bolt action. July 16th it was.

            The next thing I know JFK jnr was dead and some kindly old Italian men wanted to talk to me.

            I ain't doing that again.
            I know what you mean, we've all been there!

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            • Copenhagen

              I greatly enjoy your thread and hope you continue your work. You have over 16,000 view hits and still it grows. The thread is a great hit. I have done some amount of study in this matter and I find myself incline to support the theory you project. You handle the troll very well and so far prevented the wrecking of your thread. Good job.

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              • Originally posted by Bo Archer View Post
                Copenhagen

                I greatly enjoy your thread and hope you continue your work. You have over 16,000 view hits and still it grows. The thread is a great hit. I have done some amount of study in this matter and I find myself incline to support the theory you project. You handle the troll very well and so far prevented the wrecking of your thread. Good job.
                Thank you Bo. I really appreciate your comments, they mean a lot. It is a very interesting subject and it's so much more than meets the eye

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                • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                  The mystery was solved some time ago. Kennedy was shot by his own Secret Service bodyguard, who discharged his weapon while climbing onto the back of the presidential vehicle.

                  Was there a cover-up? Yes - mostly by the Secret Service who failed miserably to do their jobs in Dallas in the first place, and by the Warren Commission thereafter.


                  Was there a second shooter? Yes. All the evidence now supports Oswald's claim that he was merely the fall guy.

                  Who benefited? Lyndon Johnson, his generals and the military-industrial complex, all of whom wanted a war in Viet Nam that would rake in billions of dollars for Texas defense industries alone, and give the American military a blank checkbook and a chance to test theories and equipment in what was perceived as a third rate nation that would be easy prey.

                  Kennedy wanted out of Viet Nam, and publicly called it "the wrong war in the wrong place at the wrong time, with the wrong people," but LBJ was beholden to the powerful political sponsors who got him into the Vice Presidency and who ran the State of Texas, and he was a vain and arrogant man, easily manipulated by others.

                  The CIA also benefited vastly from the Vietnamese War, especially from their drug trade and their ability to do lethal research on Third World captives. This was, after all, the Age of MK ULTRA and a host of other programs, such as BLUEBIRD, an interrogation project that required a fully equipped hospital surgical suite and surgical team. This interrogation project was refused by the commander of the hospital in Japan initially selected.

                  If you didn't live through that period of American history, it can be hard to understand the many factors involved, and the fear and paranoia that came from living in the Nuclear Cold War period and permeated every facet and every level of American life.
                  That contract agents of the CIA such as Bernard Barker were pretty much working for the mob as well is not in dispute but the idea that the CIA and the Military Industrial Complex killed Kennedy over Vietnam etc with LBJ waiting to take over is a theory that still persists and you yourself are showing this here. However this ultimately does not hold water. One has to look at who the key figures involve are linked to. LHO, Jack Ruby, men such as David Ferrie and Guy Bannister whom LHO worked and associated with are all effectively linked to the Carlos Marcello and Trafficante mob. At the end of the day the mob had more reason to kill JFK than anyone else as by 1963 Marcello had become desperate and hated RFK and the brother who gave him his power with a rage that only a Sicilian Godfather can. As the evidence is increasingly showing and the Congressional investigators concluded in the late 70's but could not prove, Carlos Marcello organised the hit. The government though did cover it up for very logical but unfortunate reasons as I've covered before. I think this is important because I think the American public should not believe the myth (the Oliver Stone myth) that their government is so evil and would kill its own president to wage a war to make money etc. They right royally screwed up over working with the mob etc to kill Castro and others but they didn't do that.


                  I believe this myth persists because for some it fits the narrative of big business controls America, George Bush did this and that etc etc. Left Wing activists andactors like Richard Belzer for example postulate this theory. It sounds more intriguing and glamorous than a mob hit.

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                  • I believe that no matter what, no one will ever find out what happened when President Kennedy was killed. So many theories have been mentioned of what might of happened that day. It's been 50+ years, and still no one really knows and probably will never know who was responsible. Makes me think of the Jimmy Hoffa case. That too, has never been solved.

                    I don't think Castro or the Russians (KGB) were involved.

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                    • Originally posted by TM2(SW/AW) View Post
                      I believe that no matter what, no one will ever find out what happened when President Kennedy was killed. So many theories have been mentioned of what might of happened that day. It's been 50+ years, and still no one really knows and probably will never know who was responsible. Makes me think of the Jimmy Hoffa case. That too, has never been solved.

                      I don't think Castro or the Russians (KGB) were involved.
                      No Castro and the Russians were not involved. Hoffa was most likely killed by notorious mob hit man Frank Sheeran, cremated and spread over a field within 6 hours. His murder was very likely to do with the fact that he had been and was going to talk to Congressional investigators for the committee on assassinations( including jfk's) aswell as talking to a journalist as he was very angry over the mob ensuring he didn't get the teamsters back. He wasn't the only senior organised crime figure murdered over this. Johnny Roselli and Sam Giancana who were killed to prevent them from talking to the Church committee. Johnny Roselli was chopped in half with a chainsaw and stuffed in an oil drum. Nice people
                      Last edited by copenhagen; 20 Aug 14, 12:24.

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                      • Hi Copenhagen, just dropped in to see you holding off the troll. Here's something interesting that has been uncovered by the Assassinations Records Review Board, which has been looking into the autopsy.

                        Besides the missing evidence, and autopsy records being destroyed, the testimony itself has been suspect:

                        A recent article, annotated with links to the documents.

                        http://www.history-matters.com/essay...sTampering.htm
                        "A common thug can kill someone, but it takes the talents of an intelligence service to make a murder appear to be a suicide or accident death." -- James Angleton, CIA, Chief of Counterintelligence.

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                        • Originally posted by unclefred View Post
                          Hi Copenhagen, just dropped in to see you holding off the troll. Here's something interesting that has been uncovered by the Assassinations Records Review Board, which has been looking into the autopsy.

                          Besides the missing evidence, and autopsy records being destroyed, the testimony itself has been suspect:

                          A recent article, annotated with links to the documents.

                          http://www.history-matters.com/essay...sTampering.htm
                          Hi Unclefred. Welcome back. Wondered if you'd drop back in! I'll check out your link now.

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                          • I read and I read. I look and I look. Sometimes I even think.

                            But when that is all done the name Jack Ruby flashes in big neon lights. Who was he? What was he? How did he get close enough to kill Oswald? And why did it matter that much to him?

                            That's the rabbit hole. That's the link. That's the one to chase if you want to know how, why and who.
                            Matthew 5:9 Blessed are the cheesemakers

                            That's right bitches. I'm blessed!

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                            • Originally posted by Rojik View Post
                              I read and I read. I look and I look. Sometimes I even think.

                              But when that is all done the name Jack Ruby flashes in big neon lights. Who was he? What was he? How did he get close enough to kill Oswald? And why did it matter that much to him?

                              That's the rabbit hole. That's the link. That's the one to chase if you want to know how, why and who.
                              100% agree mate.... Thought that myself. I responded to TM2 above about Hoffa and his death. I know you've looked in to him and Sheeran before and more than me so I don't know if you have any thoughts about that?
                              Last edited by copenhagen; 20 Aug 14, 14:23.

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                              • At the risk of inflating your ego further I have to add my compliments on the thread as well. Informative and you handled the trolling from the expected quarters well.

                                Nicely done.
                                "Patriotism is your conviction that this country is superior to all other countries because you were born in it"
                                G.B Shaw

                                "They promised us homes fit for heroes, they give us heroes fit for homes."
                                Grandad, Only Fools and Horses

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