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  • Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
    The point is I've actually conducted murder investigations, OC investigations, and reconstructed crime scenes, and you have not. And will not.

    I've read actual history & case law, you read speculative fiction written for profit.

    You're akin to a virgin trying to write porn, cope. Experience is actually a useful thing in many endeavors.
    Lol. I have a past in law enforcement too..... Jerk...

    Your opinions are still based on wanting to believe something that you've been told and not really studied and derided something you've very little knowledge about. That you've investigated crimes apparently has no bearing on the RFK's work against the mob which was highly extensive , the CIA's relation with the mob into trying to kill Castro, Congresses investigation and conclusions about the mob and JFK in the 1970's and I'm only touching on a few subjects you know well little about. To be honest you only come into this thread to try and wind me up as you only look to belittle not talk nor do you have any interest in examining anything put to you. You just only want to debunk based on your own sense of self righteousness. This thread is full of things to follow up and where to go but as you just wish to poke fun, it's wasted on you.

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    • Originally posted by copenhagen View Post
      Lol. I have a past in law enforcement too..... Jerk...

      Your opinions are still based on wanting to believe something that you've been told and not really studied and derided something you've very little knowledge about. That you've investigated crimes apparently has no bearing on the RFK's work against the mob which was highly extensive , the CIA's relation with the mob into trying to kill Castro, Congresses investigation and conclusions about the mob and JFK in the 1970's and I'm only touching on a few subjects you know well little about. To be honest you only come into this thread to try and wind me up as you only look to belittle not talk nor do you have any interest in examining anything put to you. You just only want to debunk based on your own sense of self righteousness. This thread is full of things to follow up and where to go but as you just wish to poke fun, it's wasted on you.
      Winding you up, whatever that means, isn't my goal, cope.

      Nor are your mind-reading skills any more impressive than your understanding of 1963 American political, legal system, or simple investigative procedures. I know a great deal on the facts of the subject, not the speculative fiction you're engrossed by.

      Like I said, test the safety glass, cope. Test-fire the rifle. Do something, don't just regurgitate some silly claim somebody repeated to you.

      I believe in you, cope. I think with a little effort you might actually learn something.
      Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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      • Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
        Winding you up, whatever that means, isn't my goal, cope.

        Nor are your mind-reading skills any more impressive than your understanding of 1963 American political, legal system, or simple investigative procedures. I know a great deal on the facts of the subject, not the speculative fiction you're engrossed by.

        Like I said, test the safety glass, cope. Test-fire the rifle. Do something, don't just regurgitate some silly claim somebody repeated to you.

        I believe in you, cope. I think with a little effort you might actually learn something.
        Wind up ie You're Trolling .... aswell as being a sheep. People still believe the CIA wouldn't work with organised crime to kill Castro so you're naivety about this doesn't really surprise. As you believe its all fiction can you please show me how Congressional investigators believed Carlos Marcello most likely killed JFK is fiction? Are you even aware of this investigation? Or how the justice department deported Marcello, put Giancana and Trafficante under lock step surveillance. Were in the process of freezing their earnings? You're utterly ignorant about it. Utterly so you're petty ignorant jibes about wind shields rifles and other such blather are really quite sad. I can live with it though. You have to say, the likes of Carlos Marcello and then Richard Helms did a wonderful job though. You're still showing it...
        Last edited by copenhagen; 18 Aug 14, 14:33.

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        • Originally posted by copenhagen View Post
          Wind up ie You're Trolling .... aswell as being a sheep. People still believe the CIA wouldn't work with organised crime to kill Castro so you're naivety about this doesn't really surprise. As you believe its all fiction can you please show me how Congressional investigators believed Carlos Marcello most likely killed JFK is fiction? Are you even aware of this investigation? Or how the justice department deported Marcello, put Giancana and Trafficante under lock step surveillance. Were in the process of freezing their earnings? You're utterly ignorant about it. Utterly so you're petty ignorant jibes are really quite sad.
          Who here believes the CIA didn't use Mob connections in Cuba?

          You're trying to make yourself sound intelligent, but its just silly, cope.

          Read the Congressional record, cope. There have been congressional reports that blacks are less bright than whites. Congress is not what an informed American would consider a viable source. A brit might buy off on it...but not one who was serious about the topic.

          Its why you don't bother with the details, the system, or even something as simple as testing safety glass, cope: you're a fanboy. Its not bad to have a hobby, but there's nothing more tedious than a fanboy going on & on about the fiction he loves. JFK was an entertaining movie, but it wasn't real life, cope.
          Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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          • Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
            Who here believes the CIA didn't use Mob connections in Cuba?

            You're trying to make yourself sound intelligent, but its just silly, cope.

            Read the Congressional record, cope. There have been congressional reports that blacks are less bright than whites. Congress is not what an informed American would consider a viable source. A brit might buy off on it...but not one who was serious about the topic.



            Its why you don't bother with the details, the system, or even something as simple as testing safety glass, cope: you're a fanboy. Its not bad to have a hobby, but there's nothing more tedious than a fanboy going on & on about the fiction he loves. JFK was an entertaining movie, but it wasn't real life, cope.
            You think I endorse Oliver Stone's JFK? Also can you give me a list of the reading material about this subject that you've agreed with or you think is "fiction" So that I / we can see you're up to speed on this material.
            Your comments about the Church Congressional investigation is a dodge as you don't know anything about it and we both know you haven't read anything about it or anything by Congressional investigator Gaeton Fonzi who you've only just heard about for the first time... I repeat, you think I endorse the film JFK?
            Last edited by copenhagen; 18 Aug 14, 14:43.

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            • Originally posted by copenhagen View Post
              You think I endorse Oliver Stone's JFK?
              Your comments about the Church Congressional investigation is a dodge as you don't know anything about it... I repeat, you think I endorse the film JFK?
              My comments about the congressional record are a simple fact, cope. Like so many simple facts, it upsets you, but that doesn't change the truth.

              I think you're a fanboy, cope. Just like Star Wars geeks. You'll never develop a shred of proof, because you do not investigate, you don't test, you just parrot what someone else wrote, and stick to the script. Instead of Skywalker and Solo, its Mob bosses and the CIA. The difference is that there isn't nearly as much interest in the subject matter, and its culturally less important.
              Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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              • Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
                My comments about the congressional record are a simple fact, cope. Like so many simple facts, it upsets you, but that doesn't change the truth.

                I think you're a fanboy, cope. Just like Star Wars geeks. You'll never develop a shred of proof, because you do not investigate, you don't test, you just parrot what someone else wrote, and stick to the script. Instead of Skywalker and Solo, its Mob bosses and the CIA. The difference is that there isn't nearly as much interest in the subject matter, and its culturally less important.
                What facts about Congress Arnold. The Church committee? What facts are they? You made a general throw away comment, nothing more. You're trying to deflect with abuse again. I ask again what is your reading list so we can know you're up to speed. Interesting , you think Gaeton Fonzi is the equivalent of George Lucas? Get scrabbling on google to find out who Gaeton Fonzi actually is. We both know you don't...
                Last edited by copenhagen; 18 Aug 14, 14:56.

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                • Originally posted by copenhagen View Post
                  What facts about Congress Arnold. The Church committee? What facts are they? You made a general throw away comment, nothing more. You're trying to deflect with abuse again. I ask again what is your reading list so we can know you're up to speed. Interesting , you think Gaeton Fonzi is the equivelent of George Lucas?
                  Of course not. Lucas has talent.

                  A reading list, cope? I already told you want to do: test fire the rifle. Recreate the scene. Experiment on safety glass. Quit being a silly little fanboy and investigate the matter before you claim conspiracy. Live life, don't just read about it.

                  As of this point, you do not know the first thing about JFK's death. You don't even know what 'up to speed' is.

                  Start with the entrance and exit AoPaTD reports. That's ground zero on a murder investigation, and since you've claimed a LE background, familiar ground to you.

                  Report back when you've done your basics, and we'll go from there.

                  But you won't. You'll come back with some excuse. We both know that.
                  Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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                  • Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
                    Of course not. Lucas has talent.

                    A reading list, cope? I already told you want to do: test fire the rifle. Recreate the scene. Experiment on safety glass. Quit being a silly little fanboy and investigate the matter before you claim conspiracy. Live life, don't just read about it.

                    As of this point, you do not know the first thing about JFK's death. You don't even know what 'up to speed' is.

                    Start with the entrance and exit AoPaTD reports. That's ground zero on a murder investigation, and since you've claimed a LE background, familiar ground to you.

                    Report back when you've done your basics, and we'll go from there.

                    But you won't. You'll come back with some excuse. We both know that.
                    The reading list Arnold. Where is it? The facts about the Congressional investigations you claimed you made? How do you find Gaeton Fonzi lacking in talent and on what basis? What is your understanding of the timing and circumstance of the murder of for example John Roselli? You're up to speed apparently so this should be easy for you. Also can you explain to me the importance and role of an FBI agent called Thomas Kimmel? Can you or will you just abuse and belittle me again. I think I know the answer to that but lets see...

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                    • Originally posted by copenhagen View Post
                      The reading list Arnold. Where is it? The facts about the Congressional investigations you claimed you made? How do you find Gaeton Fonzi lacking in talent and on what basis? What is your understanding of the timing and circumstance of the murder of for example John Roselli? You're up to speed apparently so this should be easy for you. Also can you explain to me the importance and role of an FBI agent called Thomas Kimmel? Can you or will you just abuse and belittle me again. I think I know the answer to that but lets see...
                      cope, life has abused and belittled you. You can't blame me for your failings.

                      I was right-you won't actually do anything. Just like a Lucas worshipper, you won't deviate from another's script.

                      I've told you what to do, cope. I know its probably beyond your abilities, and it would definitely destroy the basis of your fan-dom, but I had a small hope that there was a shred of honest interest in you regarding JFK's demise. Alas, it is not to be so.

                      A reading list, eh? Well, cope, fan-boys build reading lists because keeping fiction straight is harder than history. I realize that life has left you with a lot of empty time on your hands, but I'm not here to help your bad habits. Do something. I've told you what to do, and you've studiously ignored it.

                      Let's face it: you're not that guy, cope. You're not the guy who will stand up and find the truth for himself. You won't test safety glass, you won't recreate the scene. Leaders do that. Followers build reading lists of speculative fiction.

                      You can blurt out names you've memorized, cope, but like Hans Solo and Chewie, they're just fictional aspects of a drama you adore. The men lived, but your associations are just gossip. The sort of thing you tell gullible young girls you meet in bars.

                      Step up, cope: actually do something yourself, then report back.

                      But you won't, cope. You're not that guy.
                      Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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                      • Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
                        cope, life has abused and belittled you. You can't blame me for your failings.

                        I was right-you won't actually do anything. Just like a Lucas worshipper, you won't deviate from another's script.

                        I've told you what to do, cope. I know its probably beyond your abilities, and it would definitely destroy the basis of your fan-dom, but I had a small hope that there was a shred of honest interest in you regarding JFK's demise. Alas, it is not to be so.

                        A reading list, eh? Well, cope, fan-boys build reading lists because keeping fiction straight is harder than history. I realize that life has left you with a lot of empty time on your hands, but I'm not here to help your bad habits. Do something. I've told you what to do, and you've studiously ignored it.

                        Let's face it: you're not that guy, cope. You're not the guy who will stand up and find the truth for himself. You won't test safety glass, you won't recreate the scene. Leaders do that. Followers build reading lists of speculative fiction.

                        You can blurt out names you've memorized, cope, but like Hans Solo and Chewie, they're just fictional aspects of a drama you adore. The men lived, but your associations are just gossip. The sort of thing you tell gullible young girls you meet in bars.

                        Step up, cope: actually do something yourself, then report back.

                        But you won't, cope. You're not that guy.
                        So we can take it that you are unable to show any genuine knowledge about the subject or back up any of sweeping generalisations and are are continuing to be nothing more than an ignorant blow hard. To be fair this is your general reputation on this forum so no surprise really. Anyone reading here can go back through thi thread and see what I and others have talked about and where to go for more info. Wheras you? No. From now on if you make any opinion on this site that is not based on your intricate practical research and experimentation or you give any belief or opinion based on something you read in a book we can simply state that you are not only an ignorant blowhard but also an out and two faced hypocrite! Jog on... PS You do know what Rimming actually is don't you that your name is based on? Surely?

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                        • The mystery was solved some time ago. Kennedy was shot by his own Secret Service bodyguard, who discharged his weapon while climbing onto the back of the presidential vehicle.

                          Was there a cover-up? Yes - mostly by the Secret Service who failed miserably to do their jobs in Dallas in the first place, and by the Warren Commission thereafter.


                          Was there a second shooter? Yes. All the evidence now supports Oswald's claim that he was merely the fall guy.

                          Who benefited? Lyndon Johnson, his generals and the military-industrial complex, all of whom wanted a war in Viet Nam that would rake in billions of dollars for Texas defense industries alone, and give the American military a blank checkbook and a chance to test theories and equipment in what was perceived as a third rate nation that would be easy prey.

                          Kennedy wanted out of Viet Nam, and publicly called it "the wrong war in the wrong place at the wrong time, with the wrong people," but LBJ was beholden to the powerful political sponsors who got him into the Vice Presidency and who ran the State of Texas, and he was a vain and arrogant man, easily manipulated by others.

                          The CIA also benefited vastly from the Vietnamese War, especially from their drug trade and their ability to do lethal research on Third World captives. This was, after all, the Age of MK ULTRA and a host of other programs, such as BLUEBIRD, an interrogation project that required a fully equipped hospital surgical suite and surgical team. This interrogation project was refused by the commander of the hospital in Japan initially selected.

                          If you didn't live through that period of American history, it can be hard to understand the many factors involved, and the fear and paranoia that came from living in the Nuclear Cold War period and permeated every facet and every level of American life.
                          Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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                          • Originally posted by copenhagen View Post
                            So we can take it that you are unable to show any genuine knowledge about the subject or back up any of sweeping generalisations and are are continuing to be nothing more than an ignorant blow hard. To be fair this is your general reputation on this forum so no surprise really. From now on if you make any opinion on this site that is not based on your intricate practical research and experimentation or you give any belief or opinion based on something you read in a book we can simply state that you are not only an ignorant blowhard but an out and two faced hypocrite! Jog on... PS You do know what Rimming actually is don't you that your name is based on? Surely?
                            My name & avatar is of the greatest Briton ever conceived.

                            We can take it you know zip about the JFK killing save a few hurried searches of Wikipedia, and even less about the legal system and conditions within the USA at any point, but especially that of 1963.

                            You have consistently refused to even comment on the subject of actually doing something. You've obviously never read a single significant historical work on the subject. You're falling down even by fan-boy standards, cope. I must admit, I'm disappointed-I had thought there might be a glimmer, an inkling, a sad lonely trace of worth inside your shameful frame, but alas, twertn't so. I grieve for you, cope. The sadness of your existence wounds me to the core. You have my deepest and most heart-felt sympathy with your plight.

                            But then, cope, your reputation as a silly little man without integrity has long since preceded you.

                            You do know copenhagen in the USA is 'worm-dirt', don't you?
                            Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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                            • Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
                              My name & avatar is of the greatest Briton ever conceived.

                              We can take it you know zip about the JFK killing save a few hurried searches of Wikipedia, and even less about the legal system and conditions within the USA at any point, but especially that of 1963.
                              You're named after a word that means licking someone elses hole if you didn't realise. The first about Wiki, please show that this is my only source bearing in mind my reading has been shown in the thread many times and the second has little bearing and you've still to show why it should. You've shown no basis why what I have researched is "fiction" and you have still yet to show why Gaeton Fonzi has no talent or credibility. I've shown you what I've researched for the previous umpteen pages including professional medical testimony that ties up with the Zapruder film in regards to your babble about how I should somehow restage an event the FBI tried and failed to do. What have you done other than belittle and troll. If you can do the above and provide what I've asked for then we shall continue. If you can't then your trolling session is over.

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                              • Originally posted by copenhagen View Post
                                You're named after a word that means licking someone elses hole if you didn't realise. The first about Wiki, please show that this is my only source bearing in mind my reading has been shown in the thread many times and the second has little bearing and you've still to show why it should. You've shown no basis why what I have researched is "fiction" and you have still yet to show why Gaeton Fonzi has no talent or credibility. I've shown you what I've researched for the previous umpteen pages including professional medical testimony that ties up with the Zapruder film in regards to your babble about how I should somehow restage an event the FBI tried and failed to do. What have you done other than belittle and troll. If you can do the above and provide what I've asked for then we shall continue. If you can't then your trolling session is over.
                                I'm named after the greatest Briton whom ever could be imagined, worm dirt. That's not saying much, but that's the fact of the matter.

                                Still ignoring the suggestion that you actually do something? No surprise there, fan-boy. Make excuses, anything rather than actually do something. C'mon, cope, if you really had read anything besides the endless Net recitations by posters who heard this from a guy at a bar, certainly even you would be inclined to actually find out a fact or two? Well, apparently not-you're just not that guy. Fortunately, my sorrow for your character has plumbed the depths of my sympathy, so no greater harm to my mood will be incurred.

                                Why is the idea of exploring a fact so frightening to you?

                                Its not that you're gullible enough to believe in the conspiracy, cope-lots of people brighter than you have bought into it, much like offers from Nigerian oil ministers, but that you have no curiosity. Not a single minute spent putting any one of a score of details to a physical test. Its so sad...I really wish I could help you. But you are too fearful, too desperate to cling to this myth.

                                The bailiff has me up next, so you'll get the last word today, cope. You'll ignore my suggestions, try to pretend the topic has any significance, and seek to justify your obsession with this bit of historical trivia.

                                I'll catch you tomorrow.
                                Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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