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  • Rojik
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    Residents of the Falkland Islands voted overwhelmingly to remain a British Overseas Territory, an official said late Monday.
    The question put to voters was: "Do you wish the Falkland Islands to retain their current political status as an Overseas Territory of the United Kingdom?"
    More than 99% of voters said yes, according to Darren Christie, public relations manager for the Falklands Islands government. Just three people voted no. Turnout was 92%.
    "Speaks for itself, I think," Christie said about the vote.
    http://edition.cnn.com/2013/03/11/wo...ds-referendum/

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  • UGLYGUTS
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    Originally posted by Michele View Post
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Saeed_al-Sahhaf

    Well, Comical Ali was in another order of magnitude, considered that there was a war going on. But he's the guy you had in mind.
    Thats the one, legend!

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  • Michele
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    Originally posted by UGLYGUTS View Post
    Ive forgot his name but Timmerman reminds me of that Iraqi military spokesman years ago, claiming Iraq was winning the war easily whilst a US tank was in the background, comedy gold.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Saeed_al-Sahhaf

    Well, Comical Ali was in another order of magnitude, considered that there was a war going on. But he's the guy you had in mind.

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  • UGLYGUTS
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    Originally posted by Michele View Post
    I have my doubts, though this may well be what the Argentineans are trying to peddle.
    The UN resolutions only insist that the issue be solved by negotiations among the two countries, and avoid mentioning other factors. They do call it a colonial issue; they do not deny the right of self-determination, that would be astounding considering that it's enshrined in the UN Charter.
    Agreed, and I think we all know how effective the UN is in solving disputes, Argentina will not give two figs for the result but it will have the UN in a bind on the issue and Argentinas regional support is on the wane too.

    Many CELAC nations are sending observers in spite of Argentinas pleas not to,
    refer to these comments from Uruguay

    http://en.mercopress.com/2013/02/11/...torial-dispute

    It hints at thoughts of others too,

    Brazil I believe are simply blowing smoke to placate a neighbour from hell, they banned falkland flagged ships yes but accept UK flagged ships no matter point of origin.

    Chile has no interest in seeing the Falklands change hands and infact more interest in seeing that the status quo is maintained,

    For one Chile and the Argies have competing claims for spots in the area, and crucially Chile has a dispute with Bolivia on part of its territory, this territory was won by Chile long after 1833 when the Brits supposedly usurped Argentina squaters, winning that land left Bolivia with no seafront and the Bolivians claim the land black.

    To see Argentina get the Falklands would create an unpleasant precident for Chile, unaffordable to them even.

    Think that this year will see Argentinian diplomatic efforts completely thumped for this round bar a faint whimper.

    Timmermans recent visit to London was a God send, he even made the gaffe of refering to the Falklands as "the British Islands", he is comedy gold.

    Ive forgot his name but Timmerman reminds me of that Iraqi military spokesman years ago, claiming Iraq was winning the war easily whilst a US tank was in the background, comedy gold.

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  • Michele
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    Originally posted by Selous View Post
    Certainly, though the counter-argument is that a 'colonial people' 's decision 'doesn't count' under UN 'law' (apparently, I've never looked into that bit).
    I have my doubts, though this may well be what the Argentineans are trying to peddle.
    The UN resolutions only insist that the issue be solved by negotiations among the two countries, and avoid mentioning other factors. They do call it a colonial issue; they do not deny the right of self-determination, that would be astounding considering that it's enshrined in the UN Charter.

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  • UGLYGUTS
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    Who needs referendums when you've got the IMF, bob geldof will be doing ArgieAid 2014 if anybody cares to donate.

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  • marktwain
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    Argentina & commodity prices

    Originally posted by Andy H View Post
    Agree with Cope, there's nothing worse when one side is huffing and puffing for a verbal dust up, and the other side remains silent-all married me know this

    Regards
    teh only senario that may change is if the present commodities boom , due to the drought in the USA & China, gives Ms Kirchner an unexpected wad of cash. The 1973 oil price boom turned Sadaam Hussien from a tin pot no body into a regional player.

    For instace, Russia has a huge selection of Sea going old stuff that they may happily trade for Argentine Beef & Barley

    Query: do you British chaps feel that the Royal Navy should build a rudimentary Ship harbour on Tristan de Cunha, in case a regional staging area is needed?

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  • UGLYGUTS
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    I withdraw my rant, and express my love for Chile,

    Ignore Argentina and love Chile, my new mantra

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  • Andy H
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    Agree with Cope, there's nothing worse when one side is huffing and puffing for a verbal dust up, and the other side remains silent-all married men know this

    Regards
    Last edited by Andy H; 02 Feb 13, 15:00.

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  • copenhagen
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    Originally posted by UGLYGUTS View Post
    We need a concerted effort on multiple fronts to make Argentina our bitch and bleed them dry in the process imho, Kirchner is doing pretty well on the bleeding em dry front without our help.

    I think bilatteral trade is something in the region of 120 million in the Argies favour, perhaps put as much of that in Chile and Brazils direction as much as poss, as a start.

    Brazil and Chile do not give a rats hind quarters as to who owns the Falklands, just in their national interests to cosy to the neighbours as opposed to the far off.

    We accepted an offer of talks, only thing we asked for was to allow the leader of the Falkland Islands to join in, now they refuse to talk.

    The Islanders for years were working hard to build dialogue to achieve mutual rewards from fishing, oil and tourism, the Argies up and left the debate like a flicked switch.

    There is a lot at stake here, they claim not only the Falklands but Georgia and the South Sandwich islands and our Antartic territory.
    I have no doubt that if they had the weapons that they would take them, at the moment they are a laugh a minute, but who knows in 20 or 30 years time, the time to thump em to the ground is now, kill thier ambitions.

    Our so called NATO allies are fence sitting or in some cases refering to the islands as Malvinas, only Canada has had the goodness to stand by our rights on these issues.

    For my money, until the US elects a president that will back our rights and the rights of the islanders in words (and thats all I ask is words), or at the very least just say Falklands and shut the hell up on it, NATO and a multitude of other things we get taken for granted for can take a frigging hike.
    Perhaps we should do our military shopping with who backs our territorial rights the best in mind.
    I dont think any of this necessary. Reacting plays into her hands. They are in no position to take the islands, we have the assets there to ruin a lot of people's day. They're not going to get a negotiated settlement on this at all. They've got nothing and are just using it to prop up domestic issues. She's hanging herself and we should let her and keep our mouths shut whilst we pretend not watch her flounder. Ignoring her is the best way ot **** her off.

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  • UGLYGUTS
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    We need a concerted effort on multiple fronts to make Argentina our bitch and bleed them dry in the process imho, Kirchner is doing pretty well on the bleeding em dry front without our help.

    I think bilatteral trade is something in the region of 120 million in the Argies favour, perhaps put as much of that in Chile and Brazils direction as much as poss, as a start.

    Brazil and Chile do not give a rats hind quarters as to who owns the Falklands, just in their national interests to cosy to the neighbours as opposed to the far off.

    We accepted an offer of talks, only thing we asked for was to allow the leader of the Falkland Islands to join in, now they refuse to talk.

    The Islanders for years were working hard to build dialogue to achieve mutual rewards from fishing, oil and tourism, the Argies up and left the debate like a flicked switch.

    There is a lot at stake here, they claim not only the Falklands but Georgia and the South Sandwich islands and our Antartic territory.
    I have no doubt that if they had the weapons that they would take them, at the moment they are a laugh a minute, but who knows in 20 or 30 years time, the time to thump em to the ground is now, kill thier ambitions.

    Our so called NATO allies are fence sitting or in some cases refering to the islands as Malvinas, only Canada has had the goodness to stand by our rights on these issues.

    For my money, until the US elects a president that will back our rights and the rights of the islanders in words (and thats all I ask is words), or at the very least just say Falklands and shut the hell up on it, NATO and a multitude of other things we get taken for granted for can take a frigging hike.
    Perhaps we should do our military shopping with who backs our territorial rights the best in mind.

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  • queensman
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    i say fcuk em, if they want it that bad then try and take it.
    Then she can spend the rest of her term in office writing letters to the parents and wives of the people who died trying to retake the falklands.
    Its not a spectacular place.. I spent 6 months there in 84 with 2 queens. Excellant training ground though, i did my nco cadre there and was told later it was the toughest one yet.
    We felt like we were fighting the war again.
    The penguins bite and the sheep are just flirts

    ... .... .. -

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  • BELGRAVE
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    Originally posted by Selous View Post
    "We are accustomed to withstanding pressure ... and we are going to keep it up. Because nobody is going to take anything from Argentina by extortion or by force,"

    She's dealing with the professionals now.
    Shame, I would have thought that a British counter-claim to Patagonia- originally colonized by Welsh settlers (Welsh is still spoken there, I believe)
    might have been on the cards.

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  • Selous
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    "We are accustomed to withstanding pressure ... and we are going to keep it up. Because nobody is going to take anything from Argentina by extortion or by force,"

    She's dealing with the professionals now.

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  • copenhagen
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    Originally posted by Selous View Post
    Today's news on Mrs K and the Falklands;

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...Falklands.html
    Now thats what I call reaching!

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