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  • If the Tories fail to win?

    If the Conservatives fail to win enough seats to become at least the largest party in Parliament, or fail to form a government after May 6th.

    What happens to David Cameron as leader of the Conservatives?

    Is he going to be sacked as leader or by some miracle will he stay on? In addition, what direction will the Conservative Party go in, for example will it move away from the center and move further right or will it stay on the same ambiguous ideological path it is now?

    Any opinions?

  • #2
    I think, no, if the Tories don't win, Cameron won't be able to keep his job. British party politics is quite brutal on that count, and perhaps rightly so. If the party leader isn't up to the job, then he should go.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Ogukuo72 View Post
      I think, no, if the Tories don't win, Cameron won't be able to keep his job. British party politics is quite brutal on that count, and perhaps rightly so. If the party leader isn't up to the job, then he should go.
      However he has put in a good showing. Remember Howard wasn't pushed he resigned (I don't know if he decided to jump). It also depends on what happens in Parliament. As if the government collapses, the Party is less likely to have its knifes out due to the fact there could very well be another election in short order. Also the Party might have won but the system screwed them.

      In my Ideal World, "Double-tap" Davis kicks in the door on May the 7th takes over, a snap election is called as the Liberal and Labour parties implode. Annoyed the public give a massive majority to The Tories, and Davis takes on the mantle of St Margaret.
      Winnie says
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      "He fell out of a Gestapo car, over a bridge, and onto a railway line. Then was run over by the Berlin Express.

      It was an Accident."
      Herr Flick.

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      • #4
        For Cameron leading the most popular party is winning enough IMO.
        The next few years are going to be pretty shite for the UK (stagflation is the latest economic data) might as well let a Lib-Lab government take the heat for the inevitable spending cuts and tax rises.

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        • #5
          If the Tories do not win this General Election when we have suffered a recession, unemployment is rising and the Gordon Brown is so unpopular, it is difficult to see the Tories ever winning. This is certain if as is highly likely a Labour-Liberal Government change the voting system.
          War is less costly than servitude

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          • #6
            Originally posted by kendrick View Post
            If the Tories do not win this General Election when we have suffered a recession, unemployment is rising and the Gordon Brown is so unpopular, it is difficult to see the Tories ever winning. This is certain if as is highly likely a Labour-Liberal Government change the voting system.
            Yes we'd have a perpetual left wing tax and spend dictatorship. Socialism will have finally killed us off.An obcure outpost of the Brussels fiefdom will ensue.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by copenhagen View Post
              Yes we'd have a perpetual left wing tax and spend dictatorship. Socialism will have finally killed us off.An obcure outpost of the Brussels fiefdom will ensue.
              At least if its a labour government we've been promised a referendum on Electoral change...



              yeah right Is that Bacon squadron revving their engines for take off?
              Winnie says
              ---------------------------------
              "He fell out of a Gestapo car, over a bridge, and onto a railway line. Then was run over by the Berlin Express.

              It was an Accident."
              Herr Flick.

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              • #8
                Does it really matter who wins? The biggest problems the UK has is crippling PC overlordship on the police, who can not beat up chavs, thugs, radical Muslims and other people who need sound beatings. Add to this the EXISTENCE of Sharia courts, and pinheads who want their caterwauling to be heard five times a day over loudspeakers.

                The UK's biggest problems are actually lack of religion among Christians and that there are practicing Muslims in the country who are not diplomatic personnel and a huge substance abuse problem, mostly but not exclusively alcohol. These things cannot be helped right now.

                But the reason I ask, it sounds like every problem of the British politic is the fact that it's run, even in Labour by good ole boys of the Public school system. If I were to play Franco on Britain, I'd have every politician who graduated public schools shot, barred all other alumni from holding public offices, close down the public schools forever and burn them all down (perhaps personally). Cameron's ilk are the school boy set and NOTHING will really change until they are ALL thrown out of power.
                How many Allied tanks it would take to destroy a Maus?
                275. Because that's how many shells there are in the Maus. Then it could probably crush some more until it ran out of gas. - Surfinbird

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Wolery View Post
                  Does it really matter who wins? The biggest problems the UK has is crippling PC overlordship on the police, who can not beat up chavs, thugs, radical Muslims and other people who need sound beatings. Add to this the EXISTENCE of Sharia courts, and pinheads who want their caterwauling to be heard five times a day over loudspeakers.

                  The UK's biggest problems are actually lack of religion among Christians and that there are practicing Muslims in the country who are not diplomatic personnel and a huge substance abuse problem, mostly but not exclusively alcohol. These things cannot be helped right now.
                  Lack of religion is a good thing... But anyway your other point.

                  Sharia courts exist, so do the Jewish ones. If two members agree they can take a civil matter to those courts. However both must agree to this. Its also only applicable to Civil matters. Hell, if someone wanted to take a Civil matter to the King of the Potato people, then they could. So your point on that is pretty irrelevant.

                  But yes it does matter who wins, on one hand we have a group of Control freaks who got us into this mess, Vs a Group of not so control freaks, who tend to do well with money. Or the Third option, whose last great claim to fame was World War I...
                  Winnie says
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                  "He fell out of a Gestapo car, over a bridge, and onto a railway line. Then was run over by the Berlin Express.

                  It was an Accident."
                  Herr Flick.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Listy View Post
                    But yes it does matter who wins, on one hand we have a group of Control freaks who got us into this mess, Vs a Group of not so control freaks, who tend to do well with money. Or the Third option, whose last great claim to fame was World War I...
                    Is it just me or does Ordinary Dave Cameron sound like he wants to turn the UK into one big anarcho-syndicalist commune?

                    Conservative leader David Cameron has launched his party's election manifesto, which he says is a "plan to change Britain for the better".

                    He said the "optimistic" plan would bring a "new kind of government" with less state and more "people power".

                    Pledges include allowing people to set up their own schools and veto high council tax rises.
                    Now if we can just get him to pledge to remove every management post from every company in the country and repalce it with workers co-operatives I might even vote for him

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                    • #11
                      I have been giving this a bit of thought.

                      Firstly, if the Tories don't win an outright majority, then, one way or another, our voting system will change to some version of PR.

                      Cameron will survive so long as the Tories get the largest share of the vote. (Not necessarily a working majority) If they don't, he is toast.

                      PR will be a short term disaster, a mid term disadvantage, but might be a long term advantage.

                      The short term disaster comes because the market will temporarily lose faith in UK Gilts, which will force up interest rates, hammering home owners and industry. Mind you, interest rates are far too low at the moment, so some movement would not be a bad thing.

                      The mid-term disadvantage is because the muddling around that is an inevitable consequence of coalition politics. Most of the major portions of public spending will be a "sacred cow" to one essential section of the coalition, so the deficit will not be cut as quickly as it needs to be. Even Labour could cut the deficit with an outright majority faster than a coalition could.

                      The long term advantage is that it allows a restructuring of both wings of politics. All three main parties are essentially coalitions now.

                      The Conservative party is a coalition of pragmatic rightists, economically literate centrists and business interests.

                      The Labour party is a coalition of pragmatic leftists, socially conscious centrists, and trade unions.

                      The Liberal party is essentially a left wing, statist party which has cultural remnants of liberalism (small l). Its support consists largely of people who are p*ssed off with the other two for a variety of reasons.

                      These coalitions hang together because the first past the post system makes it dangerous to fall apart. (See the effect of UKIP on Tory votes at Euro-elections). Most voters don't identify with a party or its policies in general - they vote for their perception of who would be "least bad".

                      PR will destroy all three parties as a major force. Ironically, I think it will destroy the Lib-Dems fastest, as they have the least true support - the growth of a dozen other parties will provide many other homes for the protest vote.

                      We may then see a grouping of right wing and centre-right parties, and a grouping of left-wing and centre-left parties. I believe that England in particular (not so much Scotland and Wales) are culturally to the right of what we currently think of as the centre of UK politics, so we will see a shift to the right.

                      We might pay a hell of a price in the short and mid term.

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                      • #12
                        Tory support in the last few months has fallen from a point where it had a commanding lead to one where a hung parliament and a Lib-Lab Government looks almost certain. Surely after the election there will be those in his party who will question on how David Cameron blow it.

                        The Tory campaign looks poorly managed and fails to spelt out how the Country is get out of the hugh mess of present massive public borrowing. Instead David Cameron talks endlessly about a 'Big Society', he seems to image that everyone after doing a hard day's work, should go out and do voluntary work in the evening, no most voters want to put their feet up and watch TV.
                        War is less costly than servitude

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by kendrick View Post
                          The Tory campaign looks poorly managed and fails to spelt out how the Country is get out of the hugh mess of present massive public borrowing. Instead David Cameron talks endlessly about a 'Big Society', he seems to image that everyone after doing a hard day's work, should go out and do voluntary work in the evening, no most voters want to put their feet up and watch TV.
                          He did hint he'd take an axe to public spending in a couple of area's were its over 65% of the local GDP.
                          Winnie says
                          ---------------------------------
                          "He fell out of a Gestapo car, over a bridge, and onto a railway line. Then was run over by the Berlin Express.

                          It was an Accident."
                          Herr Flick.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by kendrick View Post
                            Tory support in the last few months has fallen from a point where it had a commanding lead to one where a hung parliament and a Lib-Lab Government looks almost certain. Surely after the election there will be those in his party who will question on how David Cameron blow it.
                            The Tory campaign looks poorly managed and fails to spelt out how the Country is get out of the hugh mess of present massive public borrowing. Instead David Cameron talks endlessly about a 'Big Society', he seems to image that everyone after doing a hard day's work, should go out and do voluntary work in the evening, no most voters want to put their feet up and watch TV.
                            Thats simple insiusting on a TV debate against an encumbant PM who was already doomed. Against Blair a good idea, agaisnt Brown dumb. All it did was get people a good look at Clegg instead of him.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by copenhagen View Post
                              Thats simple insiusting on a TV debate against an encumbant PM who was already doomed. Against Blair a good idea, agaisnt Brown dumb. All it did was get people a good look at Clegg instead of him.
                              I entirely agree, it was the worst mistake in modern politics for David Cameron to agree to the TV debates. Prior to the first debate, it looked as if he was on course to head a majority Tory Government. The TV debates changed anything and we are now heading for a Lab-Lib Government who will change the voting system and keep the Tories out of power for a generation. Mistakes do not come bigger than that.
                              War is less costly than servitude

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