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    The German Costitutional Highcourt in Karlsruhe allows the euthanasua ( Help to die) for men also in a 20200227_060451.jpg professional way in an hospital.

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    • #3
      Covid 19 will sort most of that out...
      "The thing about quotes on the internet is that you cannot confirm their
      validity." - Abraham Lincoln.
      "Nothing's going to change while one side it lying about the cause and the other is lying about the solution" - Me

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      • #4
        Originally posted by ljadw View Post
        You're on the list....
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        • #5
          Those of Karlsruhe have given the state the right to kill everyone who do not fit in its picture .
          The days of Adolf's Unwürdiges Leben are back .It will be enough for a doctor to say : the hospital is crowded, we need more place . Let's kill Schmidt : he has cancer and only x months/x years to live . Or let's kill Schmid : he is healthy, but old ,and costs too much on the taxpayer .

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          • #6
            Is it forced euthanasia then ljadw? A kind of retroactive abortion?
            I've bet some people who would have been suitable candidates...
            "The thing about quotes on the internet is that you cannot confirm their
            validity." - Abraham Lincoln.
            "Nothing's going to change while one side it lying about the cause and the other is lying about the solution" - Me

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            • #7
              "Assisted " suicide is a lucrative business that always will finish in forced euthanasia . is the business of the person who wants to kill himself, only his business .
              Euthanasia is someone who kills ( indirectly or directly ) someone else .
              And both can not be mixed .
              The state is hostile to suicide because suicide is something that is done by a person without interference by the state and the state promotes euthanasia because it gives the state more power .With suicide, someone decides about his own life, with euthanasia, the state decides about someone's life .

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              • #8
                That's more power than the State deserves.
                Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                  That's more power than the State deserves.
                  Tell me, what is the power bestowed when it is the state that decides either way?
                  Wisdom is personal

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Snowygerry View Post

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                    • #11
                      Good lord.

                      The know-it-all forum oracle foaming at the mouth. Again.

                      There's no cure against non-informed ignorant stupid hyperbole.

                      "Adolf is back". "State induced euthanasia".

                      What an utter load of crock.
                      "For once you have tasted flight you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards, for there you have been and there you will long to return"

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by ljadw View Post
                        "Assisted " suicide is a lucrative business that always will finish in forced euthanasia . is the business of the person who wants to kill himself, only his business .
                        Euthanasia is someone who kills ( indirectly or directly ) someone else .
                        And both can not be mixed .
                        The state is hostile to suicide because suicide is something that is done by a person without interference by the state and the state promotes euthanasia because it gives the state more power .With suicide, someone decides about his own life, with euthanasia, the state decides about someone's life .
                        Nonsense.
                        Assisted suicide is assisting someone wants to die. Like most things it is nuanced.
                        If the rules stipulate that they have to have an underlying terminal medical condition and are in constant pain etc. then I don't see the problem.

                        There is no scenario where there is an element of compellability by the State on the individual. That would be wrong.
                        "The thing about quotes on the internet is that you cannot confirm their
                        validity." - Abraham Lincoln.
                        "Nothing's going to change while one side it lying about the cause and the other is lying about the solution" - Me

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by E.D. Morel View Post

                          Nonsense.
                          Assisted suicide is assisting someone wants to die. Like most things it is nuanced.
                          If the rules stipulate that they have to have an underlying terminal medical condition and are in constant pain etc. then I don't see the problem.

                          There is no scenario where there is an element of compellability by the State on the individual. That would be wrong.
                          In Holland conscious children can be euthanized. In the UK they can be deprived of food and water in order to kill them if they have a terminal condition and aren't conscious. In neither case do the children have an informed choice.
                          Just because one has a terminal disease is no excuse for hurrying the process.
                          "To be free is better than to be unfree - always."

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by ljadw View Post
                            Those of Karlsruhe have given the state the right to kill everyone who do not fit in its picture .
                            The days of Adolf's Unwürdiges Leben are back .It will be enough for a doctor to say : the hospital is crowded, we need more place . Let's kill Schmidt : he has cancer and only x months/x years to live . Or let's kill Schmid : he is healthy, but old ,and costs too much on the taxpayer .
                            Attitudes not unknown in the NHS. However the situation is highly variable. If you end up in a facility like Gosport they will quickly give you a drug overdose in order to cut costs whether you want to die or not. But if you can keep out of hospital the NHS will spend tens or hundreds of thousands on cancer drugs keeping you alive. If you want to stay alive in old age avoid hospital.
                            "To be free is better than to be unfree - always."

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by E.D. Morel View Post

                              Nonsense.
                              Assisted suicide is assisting someone wants to die. Like most things it is nuanced.
                              If the rules stipulate that they have to have an underlying terminal medical condition and are in constant pain etc. then I don't see the problem.

                              There is no scenario where there is an element of compellability by the State on the individual. That would be wrong.
                              There is no need to assist someone who wants to die : if he wants to die, he must do it himself ; if he has not the guts to do it, he can't pay someone else to do it .Assisted suicide in Germany is a lucrative business .
                              The rules are nonsense : who will determine if someone has a terminal medical condition,if he has constant pain ?
                              These were the same rules when euthanasia was legalised ,and ,what is the present situation ?It is forced euthanasia .Children are killed at the order of the state, because they cost too much, because they are not conform the ideal type of the euthanasia lobby, because they do not deserve to live,because they are only Unwürdiges Leben .
                              The nazis killed 300000 innocent people,because they had mental/physical defects .The last 30 years more, much more than 300000 people ,innocent people,have been killed at the order of those who want to select a super race .And the murderers are paid for their crimes .
                              Teddy Roosevelt (idolised by a lot of people in the US) said that farmers also selectioned their new born animals and killed those that would not make money .
                              Churchill wanted to eliminate those the state would label as feeble minded,by compulsory sterilisation, Bernard Shaw proposed to gas them . They were the trailblazers of the Holocaust .An other racist (Julian Huxley ) became first Director General of UNESCO, he proposed to sterilize those would be without work for a long time .
                              Where euthanasia has been legalised, it has become a routine, a lucrative routine,the state is
                              enforcing euthanasia on innocent people. Two years ago ,the British NHS kidnapped a baby and killed it,against the objections of its parents. Assisted suicide will finish as euthanasia : Hitler will grin : he has won . That is the result of a civilisation of 2000 year .

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