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  • Shinners win election in Republic of Ireland

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-51441410

    "The second day of counting in the Irish general election is under way following what has been a historic result for Sinn Féin.
    The result was described as "something of a revolution in the ballot box" by the party's leader Mary Lou McDonald.

    With all first preferences counted, the left-wing republican party has taken 24.5% of the vote, compared to 22% for Fianna Fáil and 21% for Fine Gael.

    No one party will win enough seats for an outright majority.
    Just over 80 seats remain to be filled, but negotiations to establish a government could be prolonged.
    Before the election, both Fine Gael and Fianna Fáil had ruled out forging a coalition with left-wing republican party Sinn Féin, citing its tax policies and IRA past as deterrents.
    On Sunday evening, taoiseach (Irish PM) and Fine Gael leader Leo Varadkar conceded it would be "challenging" to form a government."

    Poor old Leo, he seemed such a nice man

  • #2
    Well it looks like it was our turn to do stupid. Populism has many forms. It seems that it includes voting for child killers.
    We avoided European left-wing populism, going straight to the South American version instead. Dark days ahead.

    In fairness to the Shinners they have a track record in blowing away their opposition.
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    validity." - Abraham Lincoln.
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    • #3
      From what I gather this is mostly due to the rising living costs, and the fact that young people have it harder and harder. No different from the rest of the world though...
      Wisdom is personal

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Karri View Post
        From what I gather this is mostly due to the rising living costs, and the fact that young people have it harder and harder. No different from the rest of the world though...
        True. It will be interesting to see how much of it was a protest vote and how much was real support.
        Easy answers to complex problems are always appealing.
        "The thing about quotes on the internet is that you cannot confirm their
        validity." - Abraham Lincoln.
        "Nothing's going to change while one side it lying about the cause and the other is lying about the solution" - Me

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        • #5
          Really strange view from the British Daily Mail suggesting that the rise in support for Sinn Féin is a result of a perception that the Irish government gave away too much during the Brexit negotiations. The reality could not be further from the truth; reaction to the government's actions during Brexit talks were almost universally positive but only 1% of voters said that Brexit was their main concern during the election. It came down to housing costs and health services and a very populist stance from the Shinners.
          "The thing about quotes on the internet is that you cannot confirm their
          validity." - Abraham Lincoln.
          "Nothing's going to change while one side it lying about the cause and the other is lying about the solution" - Me

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          • #6
            So what happens now FF with SF? FF with FG?

            Will the Taoiseach have to come from SF?

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            • #7
              I think they'll need SF/FF and the Greens.

              Left wing parties never do well when they have to apply their bankrupt ideology to the reality of power. My worry is whether they will bankrupt the country before they leave.
              "The thing about quotes on the internet is that you cannot confirm their
              validity." - Abraham Lincoln.
              "Nothing's going to change while one side it lying about the cause and the other is lying about the solution" - Me

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              • #8
                Originally posted by E.D. Morel View Post
                I think they'll need SF/FF and the Greens.

                Left wing parties never do well when they have to apply their bankrupt ideology to the reality of power. My worry is whether they will bankrupt the country before they leave.
                Not trying to be snarky or anything, but given that historically Ireland's finances have always . . . . . featured but tiny cushions, is there even much of a tax base for left-wingers to screw around with? I just never thought of Ireland as a place amenable to fiscal experimentation is all . . . .
                I was married for two ******* years! Hell would be like Club Med! - Sam Kinison

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Karri View Post
                  From what I gather this is mostly due to the rising living costs, and the fact that young people have it harder and harder. No different from the rest of the world though...
                  SF are an extreme nationalist as well as socialist party. it is not just a move to the left.
                  "To be free is better than to be unfree - always."

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                  • #10
                    Is there any hope of Fine Gael and Fianna Fáil forming a coalition?
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by E.D. Morel View Post

                      True. It will be interesting to see how much of it was a protest vote and how much was real support.
                      Easy answers to complex problems are always appealing.
                      "well- they are planning to eliminate unemployment by replacing Dublin's decrepit 200 year old water pipes....https://www.irishtimes.com/news/envi...y-up-1.3958316
                      The trout who swims against the current gets the most oxygen..

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                      • #12
                        To be fair, if it hadn't been for SF and the IRA, there wouldn't be elections in Ireland.
                        Indyref2 - still, "Yes."

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                        • #13
                          Sf/IRA got in the low 20s. Is this not the proportion who have always supported the child killers, the difference now being that people are more open about their support?
                          "To be free is better than to be unfree - always."

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by the ace View Post
                            To be fair, if it hadn't been for SF and the IRA, there wouldn't be elections in Ireland.
                            And that, people, is how ultra-nationalism rots the brain

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Gooner View Post

                              And that, people, is how ultra-nationalism rots the brain
                              Without the IRA, we'd still be The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland. It was the IRA who got Irish independence in the first place.

                              As to, "Child killers," when you look at the potato famine, Loyalist paramilitaries, the Black and Tans.......

                              Sinn Fein are hardly angels, but they never pretended to be. They were a product of a violent and brutal period of History, and a reaction to the Irish people being treated like vermin by the British state.

                              Remember, the DUP - whose supporters in the UVF and UDA were every bit as vicious as the IRA - are still in power in Northern Ireland, and you only have to look at the sickening scenes at Holy Cross to see how little the other side have reformed.
                              Indyref2 - still, "Yes."

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