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  • #16
    Originally posted by Surrey View Post

    How many of those are wearing a fake suicide jacket?

    This was a terrorist attack and has been described as such by police and was carried out by a convicted terrorist.
    No one is denying that. However, it is one of many unfortunate criminal murders that happen on average every week in the capital.

    Too much coverage, feeding nationalism imho.
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    • #17
      Originally posted by SRV Ron View Post

      The Bleeding Heart Liberals in the UK should be held accountable for letting this POS loose from prison so that he could once again kill. (Drudge headlines)

      Focus on early release of convict in London stabbings...
      BORIS WAS WARNED OVER RISKS OF FREEING TERRORISTS...
      ELECTION JOLTED...
      ISIS STRIKES AGAIN...
      Revenge for al-Baghdadi...

      Instead, they will most likely call for an additional ban on knives to the ones they already have.
      https://www.gov.uk/buying-carrying-knives
      The conservatives have been in power since 2010, with a majority from 2015 until 2019. They are the right wing party. Not that Corbyn would have done anything different imho.
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      • #18
        Originally posted by Nick the Noodle View Post

        The conservatives have been in power since 2010, with a majority from 2015 until 2019. They are the right wing party. Not that Corbyn would have done anything different imho.
        This individual however was convicted under the law as it stood in December 2010, when he committed his crime, only seven months after Conservative/Liberal Democrat coalition was elected. Thus he was convicted and sentenced under Labour's 2008 and 2003 laws. He was convicted in 2012 but since law cannot usually be applied retrospectively it was the law as it stood in 2010 that applied. The Conservatives did tighten the law up in 2012 and if those new laws had applied at the time of the crime then he would have still been in prison since the new laws required at least two thirds rather than half of the sentence to be served and gave the Parole Board a veto on early release.
        It was Labour that instituted the automatic release of violent prisoners half way through their sentence.
        "To be free is better than to be unfree - always."

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Rutger View Post
          Yeah. Everybody please panic & take severe action. Because it's all the fault of the others.

          THE KNIFE CAME FROM THE LEFT.
          I doubt that matters to the victim.
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          • #20
            Originally posted by Nick the Noodle View Post

            No one is denying that. However, it is one of many unfortunate criminal murders that happen on average every week in the capital.

            Too much coverage, feeding nationalism imho.
            And feeding nationalism is bad ?

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            • #21
              Originally posted by ljadw View Post
              And feeding nationalism is bad ?
              Feeding panic-mongers is bad, be they of a nationalistic bent, or any other variety.
              I was married for two ******* years! Hell would be like Club Med! - Sam Kinison

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              • #22
                Originally posted by slick_miester View Post

                Feeding panic-mongers is bad, be they of a nationalistic bent, or any other variety.
                Feeding panic-mongers is the excuse of the authorities to keep the public ignorant of terrorist attacks .
                The public has the right to know the truth about terrorist attacks .

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by ljadw View Post

                  Feeding panic-mongers is the excuse of the authorities to keep the public ignorant of terrorist attacks .
                  The public has the right to know the truth about terrorist attacks .
                  Somewhere I can hear the cry of the environmentalist claiming that "the authorities [are] keep[ing] the public ignorant" of climate change. Further off I hear gun control advocates claiming that "the authorities [are] keep[ing] the public ignorant" of true extent of firearms fatalities. And further off still, temperance crusaders once bellowed that "the authorities [are] keep[ing] the public ignorant" of the evils of drink. Go back far enough and you'll hear residents of Salem MA shouting that "the authorities [are] keep[ing] the public ignorant" of witchery. What ever would we do without you, oh modern Cassandra?

                  Aren't you the jacka$$ that tried to make like a meth addict running down pedestrians in Times Square was a Muslim terrorist attack?

                  Oh mods, has the iggy function been restored?
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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by slick_miester View Post

                    Feeding panic-mongers is bad, be they of a nationalistic bent, or any other variety.
                    If anything this appears to be a case of do gooders being naive and unaware of how evil people can really be.

                    From what can be gathered the terrorist used event to get permission to travel to London so that he could carry out his attack.
                    A more robust sentencing policy would have protected the do gooders and the wider public. Nationalism has nothing to do with calling for tougher sentences. Wanting to reduce the chances of a terrorist attack everything.

                    "To be free is better than to be unfree - always."

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by slick_miester View Post

                      Somewhere I can hear the cry of the environmentalist claiming that "the authorities [are] keep[ing] the public ignorant" of climate change. Further off I hear gun control advocates claiming that "the authorities [are] keep[ing] the public ignorant" of true extent of firearms fatalities. And further off still, temperance crusaders once bellowed that "the authorities [are] keep[ing] the public ignorant" of the evils of drink. Go back far enough and you'll hear residents of Salem MA shouting that "the authorities [are] keep[ing] the public ignorant" of witchery. What ever would we do without you, oh modern Cassandra?

                      Aren't you the jacka$$ that tried to make like a meth addict running down pedestrians in Times Square was a Muslim terrorist attack?

                      Oh mods, has the iggy function been restored?
                      Almost every day in Europe, there are attacks by Muslims and the authorities try to hide that the culprits are Muslims .
                      Two weeks ago there was a home-jacking by Muslims a few miles from where I am living, but as usual,the authorities ,at the orders of the Muslim lobby,tried to hide that the criminals were Muslims .

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Surrey View Post

                        If anything this appears to be a case of do gooders being naive and unaware of how evil people can really be.

                        From what can be gathered the terrorist used event to get permission to travel to London so that he could carry out his attack.
                        A more robust sentencing policy would have protected the do gooders and the wider public. Nationalism has nothing to do with calling for tougher sentences. Wanting to reduce the chances of a terrorist attack everything.
                        Perp previously committed a crime. British authorities failed to sentence an appropriate penalty, and then failed to enforce the penalty that was sentenced. That's a repetitive theme in British criminal justice, and it has nothing to do with the perp's professed faith. If I were conspiring to commit a serious crime -- say child molestation or a mass murder -- then I'd much rather do it in the UK than the US. That still has nothing to do with the perp being a Muslim -- unless you're claiming that Jamie Bulger's murderers were Mohammedians.
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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by ljadw View Post

                          Almost every day in Europe, there are attacks by Muslims and the authorities try to hide that the culprits are Muslims .
                          Two weeks ago there was a home-jacking by Muslims a few miles from where I am living, but as usual,the authorities ,at the orders of the Muslim lobby,tried to hide that the criminals were Muslims .
                          London Mayor Sadiq Khan ( Pakistani Origin )
                          recently allowed British Nationals of Pakistani origin to attack and Vandalise Indian High Commission.


                          So far there has been two such Incidents earlier one happening on our Independence day this year.

                          https://www.timesnownews.com/india/a...eptable/482127

                          The British Authorities are guilty of taking Jihadist too lightly.

                          The Judge had warned while in case of Usman Khan recent london bridge attacker.

                          The sentencing report on February 9, 2012, from Justice Wilkie, who presided over the trial of the nine terrorists at Woolwich Crown Court, makes it clear that setting up the military training facility in PoK was at the heart of Usman’s long-term ambitions.

                          He was only 19 when he became a leading member of a group whose members were said to have been radicalised by online al Qaida propaganda.

                          Although born in Britain, Wilkie said “Usman Khan and Nazam Hussain were Pakistani in origin and their families came from the same village in Kashmir”.

                          Judge Wilkie wrote: “They had a longer term view, were focused, among other things, on fundraising for their plans to establish and recruit for a terrorist military training facility under the cover of a madarsa on land owned by Usman Khan’s family, where there was already a mosque, and looked to the others to supply them with substantial quantities of cash.

                          “…They eschewed, having briefly considered it, the taking of immediate action, as untrained novices, such as bombing certain pubs in Stoke. Rather, they intended to proceed on a more long-term and sustained path, to establish and operate that terrorist military training facility, at which Usman Khan and Nazam Hussain would train, which would make them, and others whom they would recruit to be trained there, more serious and effective terrorists.

                          “It is clear from the wide-ranging discussions that the groups were considering a range of possible actions. They included fund raising for the establishment and operation of the terrorist military training madarsa in Pakistan, undertaking training there and recruiting others to undertake terrorist training there, sending letter bombs through the post, attacking pubs used by British racist groups, attacking a high-profile target with an explosive device and a ‘Mumbai’-style attack by terrorists….”

                          There is no specific reference to India but Wilkie noted: “The Crown contended that these defendants contemplated that some of those trained would commit their acts of terrorism abroad….”

                          The nine were convicted of a plot to blow up the London Stock Exchange. As the judge said, their idea was “to place a live explosive device in the Stock Exchange in London. The intention was that it should be exploded, but not cause death or serious injury, but that it should cause terror, disruption and financial damage….”

                          Again and again, Wilkie returned in his report to Usman’s plans to use his Pakistani connections to set up a terrorist training cell in PoK.

                          Usman’s plans “were about the long-term business of establishing and operating a terrorist military training facility in Pakistan, on land owned by the family of Usman Khan to which British recruits whom they would recruit would go to receive training.

                          “Usman Khan and Nazam Hussain were to obtain that training and were, thereafter, to obtain first-hand terrorist experience in Kashmir (PoK). Furthermore it was envisaged by them all that ultimately they, and the other recruits may return to the UK as trained and experienced terrorists available to perform terrorist attacks in this country, on one possibility contemplated, in the context of the return of British troops from Afghanistan.

                          “These three (including Mohammed Shahjahan) were happy to engage with the other groups, whom they knew were intending, in the short term, to commit terrorist attacks in the United Kingdom. They contemplated, however briefly, such an attack themselves but it is clear that their focus was not distracted by that from the serious long-term plan to which I have referred.

                          “The plan was to make that madarsa available for men who would be fighting to bring Sharia to that region. Such people would receive firearms training at the madarsa.
                          ​​​​​​​https://www.telegraphindia.com/amp/w...st/cid/1723315

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                          • #28
                            The Millitant groups love to hide their foot prints any body unmasking them is immediately targeted by Good Smartian Civilian Legitimate Protesters.

                            After all protests are allowed in Democracies .

                            Pak Paper Said London Attacker Is Of "Pak Origin". Mob Attacks Offices

                            World Press Trust of India The Dawn newspaper in its headline had identified Usman Khan, a convicted Islamist terrorist from Pakistan-occupied Kashmir who stabbed two people to death in a terror attack on London Bridge last week, as "UK national of Pakistani origin".

                            The angry mob, carrying banners and chanting slogans against the newspaper, remained outside the office building for nearly three hours, besieging the premises and making the staffers hostage, the report said.

                            They prevented the employees from entering or leaving the building and demanded a written apology. Some of the protesters also misbehaved with the newspaper as well as Dawn TV employees when they arrived at the office.

                            Security guards at the media house had to lock the gates to prevent the protesters from entering the premises before police and officers of the capital administration arrived.

                            After lengthy negotiations with the newspaper management in the presence of an assistant commissioner, the protesters finally agreed to disperse after hurling warnings.

                            https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/pak-...akamai-rum=off

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                            • #29
                              Ok, thanks for warning that Europe is going down the drain and all 51 governments and all media are covering it up to the extent that no one ever gets to know about it.

                              750 million inhabitants, but it's all kept secret. Riiiiiight.

                              Countless dead. Mass attacks. Society being taken over.

                              Dear god. Is there a superlative to hyperbole?
                              "For once you have tasted flight you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards, for there you have been and there you will long to return"

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