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    John Bercow’s magnificent defence of Parliamentary Supremacy

    I’m usually somewhat suspicious of public figures who have the reputation of or persona of being ‘a bit of a character’.
    Always makes me think they’re more style and showman/womanship than substance.
    Or that they’re all ego and narcissism (a much overused accusation since the rise of the ‘Net’).

    Also always been a bit wary of overzealous defences of the supposedly inherent and obvious superiority of the ‘Westminster system’

    However this John Bercow 'character' just wins me every move he makes.
    He also cracks me up:
    “Order!! ORDER!” “The Ayes have it!!” “The Ayes have it!!” “In the name of lodestar I say ORDER!”

    HE gets that if Brexit was partly a plea to return to Parliamentary supremacy then this is what it’s gonna look like.

    . It’s Parliament in charge NOT ‘The Government of the day’.

    . It’s the Parliamentary process that will take precedence NOT the whims and caprices of a Prime Minister.

    . and it’s parliamentary members who will decide the course to be taken NOT pressure from the result of a non-legally binding voluntary referendum or the groundswell of a so called populist insurgency.

    I’m amazed that many of the same crew who wanted a return to Parliamentary supremacy now screech that the Parliament full of traitors.

    Cripes you guys sent a king to the chopping block to make sure Britain works this way, what’s the matter with you?

    Well done John you da Man! The Bercow show rolls on!

    When he leaves soon he’ll get a personal invite to Tasmania to address a session of the lodestar parlour dissertation and discourse club (members only.

    Regards lodestar

  • #2
    Originally posted by lodestar View Post
    . It’s Parliament in charge NOT ‘The Government of the day’.
    The governing party, traditionally, has the most number of MPs in Parliament.


    . It’s the Parliamentary process that will take precedence NOT the whims and caprices of a Prime Minister.
    Parliamentary process is being decided by the whims and caprices of the Speaker of the House.

    When he leaves soon he’ll get a personal invite to Tasmania to address a session of the lodestar parlour dissertation and discourse club (members only.

    Regards lodestar
    He won't be welcome back, that's for sure.

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    • #3
      Bercow is a liberal,working for the establishment .He is a left winger, he was fired from the shadow cabinet , there were rumours that he would switch to Labour, his wife is a socialist. He has been accused of bullying and sexual harassment .He is NOT neutral .
      Nice speaker .

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      • #4
        The Guardian : September 9 2019 : John Bercow's long journey from hard right to Labour darling .
        In 2015,the conservatives tried to deselect him as Speaker .

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        • #5
          Originally posted by ljadw View Post
          Bercow is a liberal,working for the establishment .
          The British establishment isn't liberal.
          "The thing about quotes on the internet is that you cannot confirm their
          validity." - Abraham Lincoln.
          "Nothing's going to change while one side it lying about the cause and the other is lying about the solution" - Me

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          • #6
            It's not surprising that the authoritarian right and authoritarian left would find common ground. The EU serves both of their purposes as do the Islamo Fascists and Chinese communists. Liberalism is becoming extinct.
            We hunt the hunters

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            • #7
              Originally posted by wolfhnd View Post
              It's not surprising that the authoritarian right and authoritarian left would find common ground. The EU serves both of their purposes as do the Islamo Fascists and Chinese communists. Liberalism is becoming extinct.
              What are you talking about?
              Can you please remember that I live in the real world and not the paranoid Twitter/YouTube echochamber when you write your answer.
              It would also be helpful if you could reference some actual facts and even a few laws which the EU has passed when supporting your view that the EU is authoritarian and/or supports the "Islamo Fascists" (whatever they are) and Chinese communists. Please don't cite Article 13, which protects the intellectual property of individuals from being stolen by large corporations or GDPR, imperfect and all that it is, which nonetheless protects the privacy and personal data of individuals from governments, corporations and State bodies.
              The EU has a strong track record of protecting the rights of the individual, the powerless citizen, from the State. That's why the Tory establishment in the UK doesn't like it.

              It's also worth noting that the far left and the far right in the UK are pro-Brexit because they want to impose their own brand of authoritarianism on the U but the European Convention on Human Rights stops them from doing so.

              The EU is a liberal project. Not that stupid American misuse of the word liberal but liberal in the true sense of the word.
              "The thing about quotes on the internet is that you cannot confirm their
              validity." - Abraham Lincoln.
              "Nothing's going to change while one side it lying about the cause and the other is lying about the solution" - Me

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              • #8
                Originally posted by E.D. Morel View Post
                What are you talking about?
                Probably a bot that generates random political words, I wouldn't bother

                Originally posted by wolfhnd View Post
                authoritarian right left EU Islamo Fascists Chinese communists. Liberalism
                Not a very sophisticated one either, no interaction at all, I've seen better.
                Last edited by Snowygerry; 23 Oct 19, 08:58.
                High Admiral Snowy, Commander In Chief of the Naval Forces of The Phoenix Confederation.

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                • #9
                  The EU is empire by neo liberalism. A lose confederation of states held together by a central authority. The central authority in this case is a group of unelected bureaucrats. It is not much different than what has happened in the U.S. with the transition of liberalism to authoritarian neo liberalism. It follows a pattern in which the cost of external hegemony is authoritarian rule.

                  The problem that neo liberalism faces is that forcing a uniform legal system on formally sovereign democratic states is necessary for international markets to function. The necessary weakening of democratic forces that would normal correct the outcome of economic policy requires both a strong central authority and a weak electoral process. The EU cannot be a liberal project anymore than the neo Con/neo liberal project in the U.S. is liberal. The proof is in the marriage of convenience between the necessarily authoritarian socialists, neo liberals and their corporatist/globalist allies.
                  We hunt the hunters

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by wolfhnd View Post
                    The EU is empire by neo liberalism...
                    OK, let's accept those 7 words as fact for a moment then, disregarding all the rest.

                    How is the EU worse than the US, RF, UK, UN, PRK, HRE, PRC, OPEC or others ?
                    High Admiral Snowy, Commander In Chief of the Naval Forces of The Phoenix Confederation.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by wolfhnd View Post
                      The EU is empire by neo liberalism. A lose confederation of states held together by a central authority. The central authority in this case is a group of unelected bureaucrats. It is not much different than what has happened in the U.S. with the transition of liberalism to authoritarian neo liberalism. It follows a pattern in which the cost of external hegemony is authoritarian rule.
                      In the EU the central authority is actually on the member states themselves. They set the course. They have veto powers. They even form what more or less constitutes the upper house of the EU Parliament. They nominate candidates to the EU Commission.
                      It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion, it is by the beans of Java that thoughts acquire speed. The hands acquire shaking, the shaking becomes a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by E.D. Morel View Post
                        The British establishment isn't liberal.
                        Cameron, conservative PM in 2010,leading a coalition with the Liberal Party,said that he was leading a progressive coalition . And Cameron is the man of the establishment .He called himself a liberal conservative and supports to wage war oversea for ideological reasons .

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by ljadw View Post

                          Cameron, conservative PM in 2010,leading a coalition with the Liberal Party,said that he was leading a progressive coalition . And Cameron is the man of the establishment .He called himself a liberal conservative and supports to wage war oversea for ideological reasons .
                          People call themselves all sorts of things and countries wage wars for their own interests, or what they think their interests are, and nothing else.
                          "The thing about quotes on the internet is that you cannot confirm their
                          validity." - Abraham Lincoln.
                          "Nothing's going to change while one side it lying about the cause and the other is lying about the solution" - Me

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by E.D. Morel View Post

                            What are you talking about?
                            Can you please remember that I live in the real world and not the paranoid Twitter/YouTube echochamber when you write your answer.
                            It would also be helpful if you could reference some actual facts and even a few laws which the EU has passed when supporting your view that the EU is authoritarian and/or supports the "Islamo Fascists" (whatever they are) and Chinese communists. Please don't cite Article 13, which protects the intellectual property of individuals from being stolen by large corporations or GDPR, imperfect and all that it is, which nonetheless protects the privacy and personal data of individuals from governments, corporations and State bodies.
                            The EU has a strong track record of protecting the rights of the individual, the powerless citizen, from the State. That's why the Tory establishment in the UK doesn't like it.

                            It's also worth noting that the far left and the far right in the UK are pro-Brexit because they want to impose their own brand of authoritarianism on the U but the European Convention on Human Rights stops them from doing so.

                            The EU is a liberal project. Not that stupid American misuse of the word liberal but liberal in the true sense of the word.
                            Liberalism is a totalitarian ideology.It is the third totalitarianism, after fascism and communism .
                            Sources : the Third totalitarianism and The thin line between Liberalism and totalitarianism .

                            Every day the EU is attacking the rights of the individual and is helping the state : the EU has not attacked censorship in Germany, in France, in Britain .
                            And it is not so that the far left is pro-Brexit : Corbyn is anti-Brexit .

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Snowygerry View Post

                              OK, let's accept those 7 words as fact for a moment then, disregarding all the rest.

                              How is the EU worse than the US, RF, UK, UN, PRK, HRE, PRC, OPEC or others ?
                              I think I made the case that the U.S. in attempting to police world trade has many of the same issues. As to the other examples you offer decide for yourself.
                              We hunt the hunters

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