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  • Does Turkey have a stronger military compared to England?

    That’s what US General Jack Keane said today on Fox News. Thoughts ?

    I would have thought it would’ve been the other way around that is to say that England has a better military compared to Turkey. Either way I’m glad The United States is allied to countries such as Turkey and England which have such a rich and beautiful history.
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    The UK has more advanced military equipment. Turkey has many more troops. Experience is harder to compare. Turkey has been buying new equipment and any "edge" the UK had is fast slipping away. There are political issues as well. If the UK and Turkey tangled, Greece would probably invade Turkish Thrace and/or Cyprus. The presence of UK air bases on Cyprus will be a factor.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post
      That’s what US General Jack Keane said today on Fox News. Thoughts ?
      Not entirely comparable?

      Turkey has a larger land army, for a land-war in Asia. The UK does not. The RN can still go places and do things anywhere in the world the Turks would seriously struggle with. The UK light infantry is also still the best in the world. If you want to quickly forward-deploy anywhere in the world, the UK is a very useful ally. Turkey is more useful in the vicinity of Turkey. Then there's the matter of what you are going to go to war over alongside either. These days you can probably rely on being there to fight on Turkey's behalf rather than the other way around. The Brits probably less so.

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      • #4
        At the moment, probably, but anyone thinking that the Brits are less than tough are fools. History is littered with kings, emperors, and tyrants that made the same mistake
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        • #5
          Well I like both Turkey and England. I admire the history of these countries. What can I say I like Ataturk and Churchill. And just to clarify I did not make this thread thinking Turkey and England would go to war, seems there is just about no possibility for that same as England and The US going to war. This site I list below brings up some of the numbers. England has One Aircraft Carrier and Turkey has no Aircraft Carriers but does field a light aircraft carrier. Here is something big to consider, England has a bigger military budget compared to Turkey. Turkey has no Destroyers but England has 6. Now in terms of total tanks and total airforce, Turkey wins. Again I would have thought the English had the better military, and maybe they do. Its just that General Jack Keane says that currently Turkey has a stronger military compared to England. Btw this following site says that as young as age 16 Englishmen can enlist in there military, I believe the age in 18 in the USA. Maybe the US should make the entry age into the military age 16? The English are to be respected so we should look at what they do, Turkey as well IMO.

          https://armedforces.eu/compare/count...United_Kingdom
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          • #6
            It's Great Britain or the United Kingdom. England is just part of it.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by johns624 View Post
              It's Great Britain or the United Kingdom. England is just part of it.
              Some folks still say England but Ill keep that in mind in going forward.
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              • #8
                In the UK young people have to attend school until age 16. They are then expected to go to work, learn a skill or go back to school. In my last Teaching Job, I had a 9th Grade Homeroom. The ages ranged from 14 to 18! I was relieved when the 18 year old said this was his second year in the 9th Grade! If you get SNAP or other Federal aid, your children HAVE to go to school until age 18. They don't have to pass classes though!

                In the UK, underage people can enroll in the RN or Army. I can't say about the RAF...

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                • #9
                  Manpower costs in Turkey are low, compared to the UK. The Naval needs of Turkey are much less. The RN may have an Aircraft Carrier and 6 Destroyers, but the Carrier is still breaking down and is going back into drydock. The RN used to have a lot more Destroyers, Frigates and escorts. The RN has to stay far enough away from Turkey to keep out of Surface to Surface missile range. The Turkish Navy has a number of Patrol Craft and escorts that can compete against the RN. I can't really compare the two navies Submarines as the coastal waters around Turkey are shallow and Subs might be easy to spot.

                  The airbases in Cyprus may be too close to the Turkish Army on Cyprus.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post
                    That’s what US General Jack Keane said today on Fox News. Thoughts ?

                    I would have thought it would’ve been the other way around that is to say that England has a better military compared to Turkey. Either way I’m glad The United States is allied to countries such as Turkey and England which have such a rich and beautiful history.
                    Why this comparison ???

                    British has done marvellous things irrespective of their size.

                    As long as they maintain their formidable grit.
                    They can do well.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post

                      Some folks still say England .
                      Only very ignorant ones

                      One major difference is that the British armed forces are 100% professional and the standard of motivation, training and experience is therefore high. The Turkish army is a conscript one and not everyone in it wants to be there. This year there have been major structural changes in the Turkish n military services with the length of service cut and more full time soldiers. It will take time for this to bed in so there is likely to be some fall in effectiveness during this period.

                      Last edited by MarkV; 29 Jul 19, 05:51.
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                      • #12
                        England hasn't had a military since she was absorbed into the UK in 1707.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by johns624 View Post
                          It's Great Britain or the United Kingdom. England is just part of it.
                          Sure it is, England also happens to be the biggest country in the Union.




                          Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post

                          Some folks still say England....
                          Response....

                          Originally posted by MarkV View Post

                          Only very ignorant ones
                          Or by those who recognize that the union is made up of four different countries, four different peoples, with four different cultures....and who at times prefer to be specific. Clearly Stonewall_Jack is an admirer of the English nation, it's culture and history etc. I.e an Anglophile.

                          There's nothing ignorant about that, also, England is at the helm of the Union, it works that way when smaller countries are in a union with a bigger country, they are along for the ride, so to speak.


                          Just look at Brexit, the Scots wanted to remain, the English wanted out! and now they are fixing to get out.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by MarkV View Post

                            Only very ignorant ones

                            One major difference is that the British armed forces are 100% professional and the standard of motivation, training and experience is therefore high. The Turkish army is a conscript one and not everyone in it wants to be there. This year there have been major structural changes in the Turkish n military services with the length of service cut and more full time soldiers. It will take time for this to bed in so there is likely to be some fall in effectiveness during this period.
                            Well of course there are differences but I believe You previously said Irishman, Scotsman and Englishmen are all the same... I was trying to follow in your spirit. The main language of Ireland Scotland and England is today English. The main religion historically of these countries was Catholicism.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post

                              Well of course there are differences but I believe You previously said Irishman, Scotsman and Englishmen are all the same... I was trying to follow in your spirit. The main language of Ireland Scotland and England is today English. The main religion historically of these countries was Catholicism.
                              Now that, would be a highly ignorant statement, as well as something to recoil at since it denies, as well as don't recognize, the existence and uniqueness of these three different nationalities and respective cultures etc.

                              It's also very symptomatic for globalists, leftards, and Marxists. Of course, since these people want to do away with all these things (you can also include race and sovereign nation states) they have to attack, infiltrate, undermine and subvert them.

                              Not to say he is any of these things thou.

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