Conservative Leadership Elections

[m kenny]

Is that what the TV is telling them to do?

but ,given the power of the British Deep State, the chances are very small .

https://youtu.be/3Fn36l_z3WY?t=22

[ljadw]

The descendants of Sir Arnold Robinson and Sir Humphrey Appleby are still ruling at Whitehall .
For the doubters, look at :
Brexit or Brino :UK Deep State strikes back-and misses. Good Omen for Trump ?

[m kenny]

The descendants of Sir Arnold Robinson and Sir Humphrey Appleby are still ruling at Whitehall ........................

Wrong comedy. You need to watch 'Fairly Secret Army' which was around the same time.

Recognise yourself?

https://youtu.be/oJ-9R6NCZ0A?t=30

the idea came from the Reginald Perrin series above and became the show below:

https://youtu.be/s2WFyuwCauE?t=682

The joke about 'Papist rapists' was a bit prescient!

[E.D. Morel]

After October 31, Parliament can always annul Brexit

After the 31st of October Brexit will have happened. The UK will be out with no deal. It matters no a jot what Parliament does after that.

[Snowygerry]

After the 31st of October Brexit will have happened.

That's what they said about April 22nd iirc.

I'll believe it when I see it...

[Surrey]

If Parliament is prorogued, the reason is that government wants to eliminate Parliament to make Brexit possible . But,after October 31 there will still be a parliament that is hostile to Brexit .And it will take its revenge, by making a law that annuls Brexit .
The problem is that a Brexit on October 31 is very improbable .
If Parliament is not prorogued, it can/will make a law with as content unconditional surrender to Brussels .
If Parliament is prorogued, after the prorogation, it still can/will make the same law and force the government to capitulate to Brussels .
The opponents to Brexit will not disappear /give up on October 31,they will still be in the position to sabotage the whole process.
The only solution is new elections hoping that these will give a pro Brexit parliament, but ,given the power of the British Deep State, the chances are very small .

If Parliament is pro rogued to enable Brexit by 31st October then we would be out.
If Pro EU MPs wanted to join them it would be a new application and would have to go through all the application processes again. Not practical. Thus Prorogue would work.

[ljadw]

After the 31st of October Brexit will have happened. The UK will be out with no deal. It matters no a jot what Parliament does after that.

Almost 50 years ago,Parliament decided that Britain would join the EU .
Today there is no decision from Parliament that Britain will leave the EU . And if Parliament will annul the decision to remain in the EU, an other /the same Parliament can annul the decision to leave the EU .
First see and than believe : the anti Brexit forces ( Cameron and the other Liberals , Green Fascists, Labour ..) are still not defeated and knowing the lack of back-bone of the average MP,which is compensated by his eagerness to accept enveloppes from lobbyists, nothing is certain .

[E.D. Morel]

Almost 50 years ago,Parliament decided that Britain would join the EU .
Today there is no decision from Parliament that Britain will leave the EU . And if Parliament will annul the decision to remain in the EU, an other /the same Parliament can annul the decision to leave the EU .
First see and than believe : the anti Brexit forces ( Cameron and the other Liberals , Green Fascists, Labour ..) are still not defeated and knowing the lack of back-bone of the average MP,which is compensated by his eagerness to accept enveloppes from lobbyists, nothing is certain .

I have given you the facts as they now stand, as has Surrey. Your post above, like so many of your posts, is just a ramblings based on your extremist paranoid mindset.

[ljadw]

You have given no facts : only what you want to happen .

[ljadw]

If Parliament is pro rogued to enable Brexit by 31st October then we would be out.
If Pro EU MPs wanted to join them it would be a new application and would have to go through all the application processes again. Not practical. Thus Prorogue would work.

Even if Brexit happens on October 31, the fact is that at that day,there will still be a Parliament and a bureaucracy that are hostile to Brexit : the present government has only a majority of 2 seats .No one can guarantee that all Conservatives will support Brexit : several cabinet ministers have said openly that they will oppose Brexit .
Besides : a successful prorogue depends on a unanimous government ,and everyone knows that the government is divided .

[ljadw]

Situation in April was the following :
Pro Brexit : 10 cabinet ministers
Against : 8
Undecided : 2
I doubt very much that such a cabinet could take the decision to prorogue Parliament til November 1 .
In January 2018 a lot of Tory MPs demanded that May should sack Philip Hammond, chancellor and chief of the anti- Brexiteers .
Todat : 18 months later, Hammond is still there .

[E.D. Morel]

Even if Brexit happens on October 31, the fact is that at that day,there will still be a Parliament and a bureaucracy that are hostile to Brexit : the present government has only a majority of 2 seats .No one can guarantee that all Conservatives will support Brexit : several cabinet ministers have said openly that they will oppose Brexit .

Maybe there's a language barrier here or something but I'll try to explain this again. If Parliament is Prorogued then it is not sitting. It is not is session. There is nobody there. There are no votes taken. There are no speeches given. The Chamber is empty. The shop is closed. The PM's are off doing something else. The door is locked. Nobody is home. Got it?

In the absence of any action by Parliament then a no deal Brexit happens on the 31^st of October.

Besides : a successful prorogue depends on a unanimous government ,and everyone knows that the government is divided .

No, the Queen, at the request of the Prime Minister and with the Advice of the Privy Council, Prorogues Parliament. Parliament has no say in where it is Prorogued. None. Nada. Zip. Not a jot.


These are facts, not opinions.

Do you understand?

[E.D. Morel]

I doubt very much that such a cabinet could take the decision to prorogue Parliament til November 1 .

The Cabinet does not Prorogue Parliament. The Queen does, at the request of the Prime Minister (not the Cabinet), with the advice of the Privy Council.

[MarkV]

The Cabinet does not Prorogue Parliament. The Queen does, at the request of the Prime Minister (not the Cabinet), with the advice of the Privy Council.

Technically the PM does not request but advices, theoretically HM is at liberty not to take that advice but always does. The dilemma is what if the advice is to do something unconstitutional?

[ljadw]

The Cabinet does not Prorogue Parliament. The Queen does, at the request of the Prime Minister (not the Cabinet), with the advice of the Privy Council.

The PM does, not The Queen . The Queen does what the PM tells her to do . The Queen has the right to be informed, to warn, to encourage, but not to refuse a request ( = an order ) from the PM . But ,if the Cabinet is divided and the PM has no authority,the PM can not prorogue Parliament , otherwise the Cabinet collapses and the PM is no longer PM .
Why did May not prorogue Parliament ? Because she could not . And why should her successor be able to do what May could not do ?The hostility of the establishment to Brexit is as strong as in 2016 . Nothing has changed .