Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

Conservative Leadership Elections

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • #31
    Originally posted by E.D. Morel View Post

    Will we look back at Brexit as the thing that killed the Tory Party?
    A no Brexit might.

    Comment


    • #32
      Originally posted by Metryll View Post

      I don't think that most British or Europeans would ever try to label the Brexit Party as centre right...
      The opinions of Europeans is irrelevant .
      The fact is that Brexit (leaving the EU ) is not left,neither right .

      Comment


      • #33
        One down ten to go

        James Cleverly MP for Braintree, described by a fellow MP as "a walking oxymoron" has dropped out which leaves 12 candidates to be whittled down to two by Tory MPs
        Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe (H G Wells)
        Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens (Friedrich von Schiller)

        Comment


        • #34
          Is the expectation then that the new Conservative Party leader (whoever he'll be) will have a majority to support him, if so, why ?

          I must say the British political system looks ever more deficient. Ö

          May's problem was not her personality - but the lack of support in the House..
          High Admiral Snowy, Commander In Chief of the Naval Forces of The Phoenix Confederation.

          Comment


          • #35
            Originally posted by Snowygerry View Post
            Is the expectation then that the new Conservative Party leader (whoever he'll be) will have a majority to support him, if so, why ?

            I must say the British political system looks ever more deficient. Ö


            May's problem was not her personality - but the lack of support in the House..
            Which in part arises out of her personality which contributed to the disastrous performance in the last general election
            Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe (H G Wells)
            Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens (Friedrich von Schiller)

            Comment


            • #36
              I don't deny it, but why, given the distribution of seats hasn't changed, would the new party leader suddenly have more support ?

              Every plausible scenario has been put to the vote - repeatedly, and rejected.

              Is the expectation then that this new leader will change MPs minds ?

              Wouldn't new general elections be more (even if only slightly) logical ?

              Edit, Or is it just a run up to new elections in the hope the Conservative party will gain votes under new leadership ?
              Last edited by Snowygerry; 04 Jun 19, 08:25.
              High Admiral Snowy, Commander In Chief of the Naval Forces of The Phoenix Confederation.

              Comment


              • #37
                Originally posted by Snowygerry View Post
                I don't deny it, but why, given the distribution of seats hasn't changed, would the new party leader suddenly have more support ?

                Every plausible scenario has been put to the vote - repeatedly, and rejected.

                Is the expectation then that this new leader will change MPs minds ?

                Wouldn't new general elections be more (even if only slightly) logical ?

                Edit, Or is it just a run up to new elections in the hope the Conservative party will gain votes under new leadership ?
                It seems likely that a fresh election would result in a lot of new bums in seats and many current Tory and Labour deadbeats will find that the gravy train has hit the buffers and they have to seek work. It may be that the fear of precipitating such an election would cause a cross party rallying behind whatever deal the new PM comes up with - or at least that maybe what some candidates hope will happen
                Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe (H G Wells)
                Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens (Friedrich von Schiller)

                Comment


                • #38
                  Originally posted by Snowygerry View Post
                  I don't deny it, but why, given the distribution of seats hasn't changed, would the new party leader suddenly have more support ?
                  The problems will be exactly the same. The Tories may get a Leader who is more willing to accept a 'Hard Brexit' but the majority of MPs will vote against it. Many senior Tories have said if the choice is between 'No Deal' and voting against their own Party then they will do it.

                  Comment


                  • #39
                    https://order-order.com/2019/06/04/t...rship-options/

                    latest polling forecasts a Boris General Election victory with him securing a small majority.


                    https://order-order.com/2019/06/04/f...-22-threshold/

                    Also a rule change so the no hopers, such as Florence of Arabia won't get enough nominations.
                    "To be free is better than to be unfree - always."

                    Comment


                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Snowygerry View Post
                      I don't deny it, but why, given the distribution of seats hasn't changed, would the new party leader suddenly have more support ?

                      Every plausible scenario has been put to the vote - repeatedly, and rejected.

                      Is the expectation then that this new leader will change MPs minds ?
                      One plausible scenario not tried is for the withdrawal agreement to be renegotiated.
                      This will require flexibility on behalf of the new leader on TM's 'red lines'.

                      Wouldn't new general elections be more (even if only slightly) logical ?

                      Edit, Or is it just a run up to new elections in the hope the Conservative party will gain votes under new leadership ?

                      The new election would hopefully only come after a new WA is drawn up and rejected.

                      Comment


                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Gooner View Post
                        This will require flexibility on behalf of the new leader on TM's 'red lines'.
                        What are those exactly ??
                        High Admiral Snowy, Commander In Chief of the Naval Forces of The Phoenix Confederation.

                        Comment


                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Snowygerry View Post

                          What are those exactly ??
                          The obvious one to make concessions on is 'freedom of movement'.

                          Comment


                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Gooner View Post

                            The obvious one to make concessions on is 'freedom of movement'.
                            Didnít think May had any red lines or even understood the concept.

                            The WDA is dead. It is now either leave on wto or donít leave.
                            "To be free is better than to be unfree - always."

                            Comment


                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Surrey View Post

                              The WDA is dead. It is now either leave on wto or donít leave.
                              I believe it is now against the law to leave without a 'deal'?

                              The new PM has to at least try and reopen negotiations with the EU.

                              Comment


                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Gooner View Post

                                I believe it is now against the law to leave without a 'deal'?

                                The new PM has to at least try and reopen negotiations with the EU.
                                Donít think it is actually against the law. The PM would not be compelled to seek an extension.
                                Cooper Letwin Act was specific in requiring the PM to seek an extension before the old end March deadline. There is no further requirement.

                                The new PM could avoid a recurrence of the Cooper Letwin act by either engineering an election by making it a confidence issue or by simply proroguing until 31st October.
                                "To be free is better than to be unfree - always."

                                Comment

                                Latest Topics

                                Collapse

                                Working...
                                X