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  • #16
    There are now 13 declared candidates including some whom, as one wag has observed, would be political unknowns even to their own mothers. This is getting farcical.
    Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe (H G Wells)
    Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens (Friedrich von Schiller)

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Surrey View Post


      The result in the recent Euro elections is better than anything UKIP achieved. I large part of its vote at the Euros used to be the core Conservative Party. With the Conservatives moving to the left under May a space has been created for a party on the centre right. Nature abhors a vacuum so if the Conservatives don't revert to their traditional position the Brexit Party will take it.
      In 2014 the combined Tory/Farage vote was 8.1 million and 43 seats . In 2019 it was 6.8 million for 33 seats. That is a net loss of 10 seats and 1.3 million votes for 'The Right' .

      Last edited by m kenny; 02 Jun 19, 09:59.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by m kenny View Post

        In 2014 the combined Tory/Farage vote was 8.1 million and 43 seats . In 2019 it was 6.8 million for 33 seats. That is a net loss of 10 seats and 1.3 million votes for 'The Right' .
        Wrong : it is dishonest to call the Farage vote The Right .The Farage vote is the vote for Brexit : the Farage vote are Conservative, LD,Labour,Green and Scottish/Welsh and Irish Nationalist votes .
        2014
        UKIP :26,4 % 24 seats
        Labour :24,4 % 20 seats
        Conservative :23,1 % 19 seats
        2019
        Brexit :30,5 % 29 seats
        UKIP : 3,2 %
        Labour : 13,6 % 10 seats
        Conservative : 8,8% 4 seats
        It is also dishonest to call the Leavers The Right : Labour is also a Leaver, but no one will call Corbyn a Rightist .
        FYI : Labour lost also : 1,7 million votes .
        The UKIP/Brexit party was the only winner : + 1,4 million votes .

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        • #19
          Originally posted by ljadw View Post

          Wrong :

          You certainly are.

          Originally posted by ljadw View Post
          it is dishonest to call the Farage vote The Right .The Farage vote is the vote for Brexit : the Farage vote are Conservative, LD,Labour,Green and Scottish/Welsh and Irish Nationalist votes .
          Farage is a far-right fruitcake. Famous for once saying out loud: 'we will never win the ni**er vote, the nig-nogs will never vote for us'

          Leader of a Party that believes Homosexuals can be 'cured'

          https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/new...storm-16367893


          And itching sell access to The NHS to Trump as part of a Trade Deal:


          https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk...xit-trade-deal

          Access they know will destroy the NHS and fulful Farage's earlier attempt to replace it:

          https://www.theguardian.com/politics...vate-companies

          Screenshot_5.jpg


          Last edited by m kenny; 02 Jun 19, 15:24.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by ljadw View Post

            It is also dishonest to call the Leavers The Right : Labour is also a Leaver, but no one will call Corbyn a Rightist .
            Again you get it wrong.
            By any measure The Conservative members are overwhelmingly leave and Labour members are overwhelmingly stay. That is a fact, an indisputable fact.

            The problem for Corbyn is his Party is calling the EU elections a disaster for Labour and are pushing him to get off the fence and make a new vote Party policy. He has started talking about it and there is little doubt he will, if he thinks it will gain him office, change his stance on Brexit.
            The bulk of the voters labour lost moved to The Greens and The Liberals (the Remain Parties) and most of the votes the Conservatives lost went to Farage (the Brexit party)


            https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...pean-elections



            Screenshot_2.jpg


            I know 'the right' love to claim they are gaining millions of Labour voters over Brexit but it simply is not true. The ratio is 3:1 in the other direction and most likely matched by the number of Tory Remain voters who went over to the Greens and The Liberals
            Last edited by m kenny; 02 Jun 19, 15:26.

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            • #21
              The Guardian as a serious source
              Why not The Simpsons ?
              The Guardian ''forgets '' that a lot of conservative voters were not going to vote in 2019 : they lost 2.3 million votes in 2019,while the Brexit Party won ''only '' 850000 votes .Were were going the other 1.4 million conservative votes ?
              Very obvious : most of them did not vote .
              It is the same for Labour that lost 1.7 million votes : how many of them went to the LD and the Greens ? Much less than the Guardian is claiming .
              People who voted for the Brexit Party voted for Brexit, not for the POV of Farage about the NHS, POV most of them don't know .
              Brexit is neutral, right nor left .The elections were European elections, not elections about the NHS .
              The Conservatives got only 8.8 % ,but this does not mean that they will get only 8.8 % at the general elections,or that they will lose the general elections : they got only 23,1 % in 2014, but 5 years later,there is still a conservative government .

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              • #22
                Originally posted by ljadw View Post
                The Guardian as a serious source
                Yes. News is news and data (from YouGov)is data no matter the source that publishes it. It is comment that skews the picture, Anyhow its really funny you of all people complaining about fake news when you are by far the most ill-informed poster on UK politics I have ever seen. Sometime I think you must be trolling because you should at least get something right just by accident or the laws of chance.
                You are what we call 'bonkers' and when I read that you want to walk around armed to the teeth I thank the lord for Europe's strict gun control. I would not be surprised if one day you go postal.







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                • #23
                  And who is the guy who said that the Brexit party is right because it is hostile to the NHS and that the Conservatives are also right, although they are not hostile to the NHS ?
                  And who is the guy who is saying that if one disagrees with him,one had no knowledge of British domestic policy?
                  The only thing you know is the blahblah you are reading in the Guardian,the journal of the intellectual snobs and the journal that is excusing Muslim terrorism .

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by ljadw View Post
                    And who is the guy who said that the Brexit party is right because it is hostile to the NHS and that the Conservatives are also right, although they are not hostile to the NHS ?
                    And who is the guy who is saying that if one disagrees with him,one had no knowledge of British domestic policy?
                    The only thing you know is the blahblah you are reading in the Guardian,the journal of the intellectual snobs and the journal that is excusing Muslim terrorism .
                    I was commenting on your ignorance and not asking you to confirm it. I will admit one error. Bonkers was an understatement.


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                    • #25
                      Is saying the man who claims that Corbyn is a right winger and Cameron a left winger, May a left winger who became a right winger,the same for Johnson , and who ignores that Boris belongs to the left wing of the Tories .

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                      • #26
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                        • #27
                          Boris is starting to draw ahead as more MPs declare their support.


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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Surrey View Post

                            Not until Brexit is delivered. The failure of May's government to enact the Referendum created the party and it will stay until its objective is achieved.
                            The result in the recent Euro elections is better than anything UKIP achieved. I large part of its vote at the Euros used to be the core Conservative Party. With the Conservatives moving to the left under May a space has been created for a party on the centre right. Nature abhors a vacuum so if the Conservatives don't revert to their traditional position the Brexit Party will take it.
                            I don't think that most British or Europeans would ever try to label the Brexit Party as centre right...

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by MarkV View Post
                              There are now 13 declared candidates including some whom, as one wag has observed, would be political unknowns even to their own mothers. This is getting farcical.
                              Who was it who said that describing May as "the worst MP ever" will have to be changed to "the worst PM so far this year"?

                              Will we look back at Brexit as the thing that killed the Tory Party?
                              "The thing about quotes on the internet is that you cannot confirm their
                              validity." - Abraham Lincoln.
                              "Nothing's going to change while one side it lying about the cause and the other is lying about the solution" - Me

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by ljadw View Post
                                that Boris belongs to the left wing of the Tories
                                There are candidates that don't?

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