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  • Originally posted by E.D. Morel View Post

    Is a no deal Brexit the policy of the Conservative Party?
    Leaving the EU is policy. Maintaining the ability to walk away with no deal is policy.

    "To be free is better than to be unfree - always."

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    • Originally posted by MarkV View Post

      And to take your analogy further those who want to leave the room demand that they stay just as dry and warm as if they stayed inside.

      And BTW it wasn't 51 or 52 % of the people it was 52% of the people who voted. There was no absolute majority for leaving. Normal political conventions suggest that major constitutional change is only made on an absolute majority but as the referendum was purely 'advisory' this was not applied
      Usual nonsense.

      If you chose not to vote then you chose not to be part of the decision and can’t complain about the result.
      It is not a political convention to require an absolute majority of the potential electorate for constitutional change. It wasn’t for the Scottish Referendum, it wasn’t for the referendum on the Welsh Assembly, it wasn’t in the referendum for the Scottish Parliament. All of which, as with the EU referendum required a simple majority of those voting.
      You shouldn’t make things up.

      The 72% turnout was higher than many recent UK elections. Are you suggesting that all election results are null and void simply because not everyone chooses to vote?
      "To be free is better than to be unfree - always."

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      • Getting back on topic Boris has won the first round of voting for PM.

        https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-48579887
        "To be free is better than to be unfree - always."

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        • Originally posted by E.D. Morel View Post

          72% if I recall correctly.
          Ohh. :surprised: I did not know that the participation was that high. I guess that Brexit's opponents can't say that a form of quorum wasn't reached.
          I was married for two ******* years! Hell would be like Club Med! - Sam Kinison

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          • Originally posted by Surrey View Post
            If you chose not to vote then you chose not to be part of the decision and can’t complain about the result.
            On that point we are in complete agreement.
            "The thing about quotes on the internet is that you cannot confirm their
            validity." - Abraham Lincoln.
            "Nothing's going to change while one side it lying about the cause and the other is lying about the solution" - Me

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            • Originally posted by Surrey View Post

              Usual nonsense.

              If you chose not to vote then you chose not to be part of the decision and can’t complain about the result.
              It is not a political convention to require an absolute majority of the potential electorate for constitutional change. It wasn’t for the Scottish Referendum, it wasn’t for the referendum on the Welsh Assembly, it wasn’t in the referendum for the Scottish Parliament. All of which, as with the EU referendum required a simple majority of those voting.
              You shouldn’t make things up.

              The 72% turnout was higher than many recent UK elections. Are you suggesting that all election results are null and void simply because not everyone chooses to vote?
              Don't be daft - elections are not constitutional changes - all over the world constitutional changes usually require a super majority
              Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe (H G Wells)
              Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens (Friedrich von Schiller)

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              • Originally posted by Snowygerry View Post

                51% of "the people" as I recall….

                Everything else follows from that.

                If you lock ten people in a room, and 5 want to stay, 1 wants to leave by the front door, 1 wants to leave by the back door and 3 want to climb out of a window onto the balcony, the chances of all 10 of them making an orderly and timely exit are small.

                That's what you see here.
                In a referendum, the majority decides, not the minority .

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                • We'll see
                  High Admiral Snowy, Commander In Chief of the Naval Forces of The Phoenix Confederation.

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                  • Originally posted by MarkV View Post
                    Don't be daft - elections are not constitutional changes - all over the world constitutional changes usually require a super majority
                    Brexit is not a constitutional change .
                    And, super majorities do not exist . They are invented by the losers .After they lose .
                    Noone said in 2016 that a majority of 67 % was needed as in 1975 .
                    The voters in Wales said no to the plans for a Welsh parliament in 1979 with 79 % ,but yes in 1997 with 50,3 % . And the opponents accepted their defeat in 1997, because they were democrats : they did not talk about a super majority .
                    To refuse the outcome of a referendum after losing it with the NEW slogan that a super majority was needed,proves only an unwillingness to accept the decision of the British people and an anti-democratic attitude .

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                    • Originally posted by slick_miester View Post

                      Ohh. :surprised: I did not know that the participation was that high. I guess that Brexit's opponents can't say that a form of quorum wasn't reached.
                      The turnout was only 64 % in 1975, but the opponents did not use it to challenge the result .

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                      • Originally posted by ljadw View Post

                        Brexit is not a constitutional change .
                        And, super majorities do not exist . They are invented by the losers .After they lose .
                        Noone said in 2016 that a majority of 67 % was needed as in 1975 .
                        The voters in Wales said no to the plans for a Welsh parliament in 1979 with 79 % ,but yes in 1997 with 50,3 % . And the opponents accepted their defeat in 1997, because they were democrats : they did not talk about a super majority .
                        To refuse the outcome of a referendum after losing it with the NEW slogan that a super majority was needed,proves only an unwillingness to accept the decision of the British people and an anti-democratic attitude .
                        I don't think it is correct to compare the local government in Wales, a glorified county council, with Westminster, their national parliament.
                        "The thing about quotes on the internet is that you cannot confirm their
                        validity." - Abraham Lincoln.
                        "Nothing's going to change while one side it lying about the cause and the other is lying about the solution" - Me

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                        • Originally posted by MarkV View Post

                          And to take your analogy further those who want to leave the room demand that they stay just as dry and warm as if they stayed inside.

                          And BTW it wasn't 51 or 52 % of the people it was 52% of the people who voted. There was no absolute majority for leaving. Normal political conventions suggest that major constitutional change is only made on an absolute majority but as the referendum was purely 'advisory' this was not applied
                          The referendum was not advisory . The outcome of the referenda in the past were respected by the government, the outcome of the Brexit referendum was not respected .

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                          • Originally posted by E.D. Morel View Post

                            I don't think it is correct to compare the local government in Wales, a glorified county council, with Westminster, their national parliament.
                            The Welsh referendum was much more a constitutional change than the Brexit referendum .

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                            • Originally posted by ljadw View Post

                              The Welsh referendum was much more a constitutional change than the Brexit referendum .
                              Possibly, but the real impact of the Brexit vote on the UK will be far greater.
                              "The thing about quotes on the internet is that you cannot confirm their
                              validity." - Abraham Lincoln.
                              "Nothing's going to change while one side it lying about the cause and the other is lying about the solution" - Me

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                              • Originally posted by MarkV View Post
                                Don't be daft - elections are not constitutional changes - all over the world constitutional changes usually require a super majority
                                Not in the UK
                                "To be free is better than to be unfree - always."

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