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  • wolfhnd
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    Originally posted by Johan Banér View Post
    The whole point of the survey was to survey precisely the individuals who do not confine themselves to words.

    Or do you include violent attacks on people as covered by free speech in the US?
    I suppose you are right in requiring a more nuanced reply.

    The point was not that a direct correlation was established but that there is a relationship between paranoia and violence. Suppression tends to legitimize violence in the minds of radicals. I'm sure that is one of the reasons that European countries appear to go easy on Islamic radicals.

    We should try to quantify the relationship between free speech and violence.

    An outline of the issues

    https://www.cato-unbound.org/2018/06...rosses-borders

    While all sociological studies must be taken with a grain of salt studies of the link between video games and violence are numerous and long standing. The studies usually show no statistically reliable correlation.

    https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...ebate-lingers/

    Certainly video games represent a small aspect of what we call free speech but related studies have been done for the traditional visual entertainment and media industries. What we can gather is that, as American courts have decided, is that the link between free expression of violence and actual violence do not justify restrictions.

    More study needs to be done but a somewhat laissez faire attitude towards political violence combined with active debate over political differences appears to have worked fairly well in liberal democracies. The opposite approach of severe enforcement and restricted speech as characterized by fascist states would appear to be more dangerous. Without more data we will have to rely on historical experience.




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  • Emtos
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    Originally posted by asterix View Post
    I'll just toss this in - a poll released only recently (Agence des droits fondamentaux de l'Union européenne) showed that rising anti-semitism, once the domain of the far right has now become the domain of the far Left, often citing direct correlation between so-called anti-zionism and anti-semitism.
    Nothing strange. Israel is a far-right state who uses force against Palestinians and denies the existence of their state.

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  • dmf01
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    Originally posted by m kenny View Post

    Was it anywhere near where Jenny Artichoke lived in her boat?

    https://youtu.be/eCoZuHboftw?t=17

    You should have popped in for toast and marmalade for tea and then went to see sailing ships upon the sea..................

    https://youtu.be/a1SenDxZAbA?t=67

    1971, great year.
    Not sure about Jenny Artichoke, as I was about to buy some psychobilly records at the Lcck Market. And then went to see (proper to say "to take") a boat tour along the locks.
    Yes, 1971 was certainly great and rich with wonderful music.
    Especially this gem by the Kinks
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuLzmupBTMs

    (albeit this live version was recorded in 1972)

    Thanks for the songs!

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  • asterix
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    I'll just toss this in - a poll released only recently (Agence des droits fondamentaux de l'Union européenne) showed that rising anti-semitism, once the domain of the far right has now become the domain of the far Left, often citing direct correlation between so-called anti-zionism and anti-semitism.

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  • Johan Banér
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    Originally posted by wolfhnd View Post

    In the U.S. we let them display their ignorance openly. It's called free speech. The worst thing you can do with the unhinged is suppress their speech because it only confirms their paranoid tendencies.
    The whole point of the survey was to survey precisely the individuals who do not confine themselves to words.

    Or do you include violent attacks on people as covered by free speech in the US?

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  • Emtos
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    Democratic socialist exists xurrecurr. Communism was never achieved until now.

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  • wolfhnd
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    Originally posted by Emtos View Post

    Those are very different things.
    From the Communist Manifesto "the first step in the revolution by the working class, is to raise the proletariat to the position of ruling class, to win the battle for democracy". By definition the proletariat was the largest class in society at the time of publication. It would also be the only class remaining after the revolution. If the majority controls the means of production by regulation and taxation then ownership is a mute point. For example if you own a farm and the government tells you for what purpose and how you can use said farm through regulation and taxes the produce extraordinarily then you really own the farm in name only. If you elect not to produce anything because the regulations and taxes are burdensome then you will eventually forfeit it to government by way of property tax. The difference between communism and democratic socialism is democratic socialism sounds nicer. Taxation becomes theft under a dictatorship of an unproductive majority in a democracy. That is why no same person would support a true democracy.

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  • m kenny
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    Originally posted by dmf01 View Post

    I guess I saw her in Camden, not far from the zoo
    Was it anywhere near where Jenny Artichoke lived in her boat?

    https://youtu.be/eCoZuHboftw?t=17

    You should have popped in for toast and marmalade for tea and then went to see sailing ships upon the sea..................

    https://youtu.be/a1SenDxZAbA?t=67

    1971, great year.
    Last edited by m kenny; 25 Feb 19, 15:08.

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  • Emtos
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    Originally posted by wolfhnd View Post
    What appears to be a significant political movement are the communists (democratic socialists).
    Those are very different things.

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  • dmf01
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    Originally posted by m kenny View Post

    She lives in a boathouse down by the river, everyone calls her Pretty Belinda....

    https://youtu.be/QAUGG9oqDgM?t=11
    I guess I saw her in Camden, not far from the zoo

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  • slick_miester
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    Originally posted by Snowygerry View Post
    Thus we can conclude, if we follow the logic of the OP for a moment, that German leftwing violent activists are 24% more pathetic than their rightwing counterparts.
    So in the patheticness sweepsteaks the lefties win by about a neck.

    Originally posted by Snowygerry View Post
    Although both are roughly equally likely to be unmarried (91% vs. 89 %) leftwing violent activists are more likely to live at home while those on the right are more likely to live alone, even they're on average slightly younger.
    And all of that adds up to a whole forest's worth of used tissues.

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  • wolfhnd
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    Originally posted by m kenny View Post
    In the U.S. we let them display their ignorance openly. It's called free speech. The worst thing you can do with the unhinged is suppress their speech because it only confirms their paranoid tendencies.

    The U.S. has seen a consistent stream of right wing terrorism especially directed at Jews by crazy individuals. Then there is the second worst terrorist attack in history the Oklahoma City bombing. That said they are not a significant political movement. What appears to be a significant political movement are the communists (democratic socialists). Again however by allowing people like Alexandria Ocasio Cortez to have a platform their nuttiness is exposed.

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  • Snowygerry
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    Originally posted by wolfhnd View Post
    How much of the problem is related to marijuana and alcohol do you suppose?
    At least 32%.



    The Bild article appears to be a rehash of this brochure from 2016,

    https://www.berlin.de/sen/inneres/pr...ung.436441.php

    3.4.2 Wohnsituation

    Familienstand und Altersstruktur der Tatverdächtigen schlagen sich auch in ihrer Wohnsituation

    nieder. 92 % der Tatverdächtigen lebten bei ihren Eltern, 4 % in einem Wohnheim und je 2 % allein

    bzw. zusammen mit Freunden
    .


    Which was in turn a reaction to a similar study on "right-wing violent activists" in 2014 here :

    https://www.berlin.de/sen/inneres/ve...kel.228676.php

    3.4.2 Wohnsituation

    Die Altersstruktur der Tatverdächtigen schlägt sich auch in ihrer Wohnsituation nieder. Mit 68 %

    wohnten mehr als zwei Drittel der Tatverdächtigen nach eigenen Angaben bei ihren Eltern. 17 %

    wohnten allein, 10 % mit einer Partnerin zusammen. Die Angaben zum Familienstand und der

    Wohnsituation der Tatverdächtigen entsprechen damit im Wesentlichen den Ergebnissen der Vorgängerstudie.
    Thus we can conclude, if we follow the logic of the OP for a moment, that German leftwing violent activists are 24% more pathetic than their rightwing counterparts.

    Although both are roughly equally likely to be unmarried (91% vs. 89 %) leftwing violent activists are more likely to live at home while those on the right are more likely to live alone, even they're on average slightly younger.
    Last edited by Snowygerry; 25 Feb 19, 05:33.

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  • m kenny
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    The standard-bearers of the right.............EDL .Manchester ...2017 (1).jpgEDL .Manchester ...2017 (2).jpgEDL .Manchester ...2017 (3).jpg

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  • m kenny
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    Remember this 'proud boy' getting told off by his dad whilst live on air?

    https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...kessler-father

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