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  • HNoMS Helge Ingstad (F313) collision with tanker Sola TS

    So what do you make out this?

    Modern Norwegian Aegis equipped frigate returning from military exercises collides with a tanker that has just left the port and still has pilot on-board as well as an escorting tug (apparently to help maneuvering in the relatively narrow waters) with it. If the AIS tracks of the tanker and the escorting tug are to be believed it was doing about 7 knots at the time of the incident. Apparently no serious damage to the tanker but 8 (or 7, varying between sources) of frigate's 137 strong crew were injured. Frigate was evacuated and beached as well as they could with the steep shores typical for fjords. Collision took place in VTS controlled area while - according to marinetraffic - the frigate was running dark, as in not having AIS on. Kinda strange choice since they had to report their arrival to the VTS area regardless (according to Norwegian press).

    A slightly more recent news... https://www.aldrimer.no/fregatten-an...ntatte-ganger/ (Norwegian) - Frigate was warned repeatedly both by the tanker as well as by the VTS. Reply «Vi har kontroll» - 'we have control' - yet collide. Several other sources confirmed the attempts to warn the frigate from the potential collision. So it does appear that both sides were aware of each other. The fully loaded tanker however likely unable to do any rapid maneuvers.

    In other reports there apparently are already plans to lift the frigate onto a barge and disarm it - it was part of the SNMG1 so plenty or live ordnance aboard. While the hull of the frigate seems to be a total loss (or as put in some press 'total economic loss' - meaning could be repaired/rebuild but would probably be cheaper just to build a new one) some of the equipment may not have been ruined and could be salvaged (like that radar).
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  • #2
    Originally posted by Vaeltaja View Post
    SThe fully loaded tanker however likely unable to do any rapid maneuvers.




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    • #3
      Originally posted by Gooner View Post
      missed 'was' from there... Point was that the tanker wasn't going to be dodging or evading any one - not even if it wanted to.
      It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion, it is by the beans of Java that thoughts acquire speed. The hands acquire shaking, the shaking becomes a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion

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      • #4
        Yes of course, good understatement.

        The Norwegian Captain and probably a few of the officers are looking at an early end to their careers.

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        • #5
          This looks really bad. I don't know if this is time lapse but it rolls very quickly. Losing 1/5 of your main combatant class, especially a relatively new ship, is bad.
          https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46136564

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          • #6
            Originally posted by johns624 View Post
            This looks really bad. I don't know if this is time lapse but it rolls very quickly. Losing 1/5 of your main combatant class, especially a relatively new ship, is bad.
            https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46136564
            The video does not seem to be a time lapse (if you look at the water splashes you can see that). The tugs apparently tried to push the frigate closer to the shore to prevent it from becoming fully submerged since water is apparently some 20 to 30 meters deep right off that rocky point. Maybe the gash at the bottom got snagged to some rocks? Reportedly the Norwegians were apparently really busy drilling holes to the rock to fix the ship with cables to make sure it wouldn't slip to the bottom.
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            • #7
              No amount of damage control could work around that, if that was in open waters it could have been a disaster... the way it lists so fast, would’ve lost a lot of crew members.
              "In modern war... you will die like a dog for no good reason."
              Ernest Hemingway.
              “The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.”

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              • #8
                Looking at the damage on the tanker (on the right side front anchor) and the frigate (on the right side rear) and keeping in mind the time of the accident and the direction of travel (frigate being southbound and the tanker northbound)... All pure postulation of course... It seems like the ships were on head-on collision course - and tanker turned what it could to right and frigate turned left.
                Last edited by Vaeltaja; 10 Nov 18, 13:39. Reason: oops...
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                • #9
                  Let me guess - Their insurance didn't cover that.
                  "Why is the Rum gone?"

                  -Captain Jack

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by The Exorcist View Post
                    Let me guess - Their insurance didn't cover that.
                    Navy ship - no insurance. Government acts as the guarantor.



                    Noticed this: Radar Images & Audio Log of KNM Helge Ingstad Frigate — Sola TS Oil Tanker Collision - excerpts from the audio log and radar screen images of the events leading to the collision with English translations (noticed couple of minor errors in it, like 00:25 it is not saying the unknown target is on the port but 'slightly on the port'). Actual radar video + radio audio log is on Norwegian news site VG: Slik var de dramatiske minuttene da KNM «Helge Ingstad» krasjet i «Sola TS». Kinda strange events. I wonder if there was shift change going on - after all it was pretty much at 0400 in Norwegian time. On the other hand some reports state that the frigate was running through navigational exercises at the time.

                    Even stranger is that the frigate may have been running completely dark (not just AIS turned off). The tug (Ajax) sent to assist the KNM Helge Ingstad was initially unable to locate it at all.
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                    • #11
                      Well, if the frigate was testing its stealth capability, I'd say it was working.
                      Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                        Well, if the frigate was testing its stealth capability, I'd say it was working.
                        I'm reminded of a WW1 account. Apparently German recce aircraft were told to look out for mobile pigeon lofts as if these had moved to a new location it indicated a shift of an Allied command centre (HQ) which would presage a new offensive action. The French cottoned on to this and started camouflaging the vans so that German aviators couldn't find them. This was successful but the pigeons couldn't find them either!.Sometimes one can take stealth too far.
                        Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe (H G Wells)
                        Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens (Friedrich von Schiller)

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                        • #13
                          Maybe if Norway decides to replace it (they should but probably won't) NZ can piggyback onto the order (they won't). It's about the smallest, most capable ship in anyone's catalog right now.

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                          • #14
                            Ooops

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                            Guess there won't be too much to salvage now.

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                            • #15
                              Ouch! So much for salvaging the electronics...

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