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  • ljadw
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    Originally posted by Rutger View Post
    You don't actually digest the words you read, now do you?
    Paedophilia and gunrights are unrelated .But rapes and gunrights are related.Countless of women are afraid of going out at night or during the evening, because of the waiting rapists, who are not an acquaintance and this situation is worsening,because they are not allowed to defend themselves : if it depends on Hillary, they will no longer have the right to defend themselves by carrying a gun ,and in Europe the situation is even worse : even pepperspray is forbidden for the potential victims .
    And the fact that in Europe these monsters are not punished, and that it is not better in the US ,will only encourage the rapists to continue .
    A few days ago, a man was executed in Tennessee (the first since decennia ) because 30 !!! years ago he raped and murdered a girl of 7 years : it took the US 'justice '' (better : injustice ) 30 years to see that justice was served : the parents of this girl were sentenced to live;their life was broken ;but the monster that raped and murdered their child continued to live for 30 years, at the expense of the taxpayer .Do you call this justice ? I not : it is injustice .There are ways to diminish the number of crimes : let the potential victims (= all of us ) defend themselves and punish the criminals : a hanging a day (which is : a hanging that last hours ) keeps the rapist away .
    There are millions of paedophiles, who, as long as they are curbing their lusts,are not a big danger, but they are curbing their lusts only if they know that if they rape children, they will be punished at the same way; when they notice that society is considering them as sick people who need rehabilitation and not punishment,it will be a free-for-all. And this applies to all other categories of criminals .
    In 2006 a pedophile party was allowed to take part in thye Dutch elections.The German Greens support pedophiles,in the UK paedophilia is considered as a sexual orientation ; one sees the results .

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  • Rutger
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    You don't actually digest the words you read, now do you?

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  • ljadw
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    Originally posted by Rutger View Post

    Are you aware that 7 out of 10 of all rapes are committed by people well known to the victim? Are you aware that most people do not welcome an acqaintance with a gun, but that said acquaintance abuses the trust, and catches his victim off guard? That no matter the number of guns available to the victim, the perpetrator will await the opportunity?

    The current rape rate for the US is about 25 per 100000;
    For the EU this number averages at about 11. Norway is at about 19. All that without every citizen carrying a gun.
    Irrelevant answer to hide the fact that you have no answer to the fact that soft on crime results in more crime .
    And the current rape rate for the US is NOT 25 per 100000, this is the number that is reported to the police, but every one knows that most rapes are not reported .
    That's the same for Europe .
    As long as one continues to treat rapists as sick people,the number of rapes will increase .

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  • Rutger
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    Originally posted by ljadw View Post

    Continue to close your eyes ,but the facts are what they are ;take the US (but Europe,etc,are not better ):
    18% of American women are known to have been raped,but only 16 % of all rapes are reported to Law Enforcement .
    16 % of the boys and 25 % of the girls will be raped /sexually assaulted before they will be 18 .
    Must I continue ?
    And in England and Wales every year more than 500000 women and 138000 men are raped /sexually assaulted .
    But ,feel free to continue to proclaim that it is not needed that the public must fear police.
    Are you aware that 7 out of 10 of all rapes are committed by people well known to the victim? Are you aware that most people do not welcome an acqaintance with a gun, but that said acquaintance abuses the trust, and catches his victim off guard? That no matter the number of guns available to the victim, the perpetrator will await the opportunity?

    The current rape rate for the US is about 25 per 100000;
    For the EU this number averages at about 11. Norway is at about 19. All that without every citizen carrying a gun.

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  • m kenny
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    I live in a town of 100,000. The last 'murder' was a fortnight ago a man killed his girlfriend after she left him. Last murder before that about 18 months back where a man killed his wife. One before that an adopted son killed his aged mother for drugs money. Average is 1 murder every 2 years and not one I can remember where a gun was used. There have been 2 high-profile cases. One where 2 young (15 year old) girls killed a woman they knew and a long while back a child-killer who murdered an 8 year old. No gang killings I can think of in my 60 odd years. I do not personally know anyone who has been stabbed, threatened with a knife or robbed violently.

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  • T. A. Gardner
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    Originally posted by Rutger View Post
    No, it isn't. This graph is a comparison of otherwise very similar societies. That is what comparisons are all about: eliminate as much differences as possible and what you get is a clearer view on the diffences remaining.
    You're the disingenuous one by bringing in countries that are vastly different from 1st world countries.

    Similar goes for the nonsense remark that many US murders are gang related and therefor really shouldn'd be counted.

    A murder is a murder is a murder.

    The UK has a vastly better record than the USA.

    Crap, typing on a smart pjone is hell.

    So, countries like Lithuania, Poland, Russia, South Africa, or Argentina aren't the equals of the US or Europe? Nice to know.

    The gang remark is accurate. California, Illinois, and Texas are the three highest states for murders. Much of that is related to Hispanic gangs like the Surenos, Nortanios, and MS 13 in California and Texas while Black gangs dominate in Illinois. Gang related violence is crime on crime versus a crime against a person who is not also involved in criminal activity.

    This is the problem in the Chicago area:







    The city is overrun with serious, active gang activity. That's why their murder rate is insanely high.

    So, there is a difference when two groups of criminals are vying for power or control versus someone being murdered who is not engaged in a criminal act.

    Aside from that, the UK and US have very similar overall rates of violent crime. It's just in the UK far less of it involves a firearm. There's little difference between being shot and robbed and being stabbed and robbed, or being beaten senseless and robbed.

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  • Rutger
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    Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    As for your graph, it is disingenuous.
    No, it isn't. This graph is a comparison of otherwise very similar societies. That is what comparisons are all about: eliminate as much differences as possible and what you get is a clearer view on the diffences remaining.
    You're the disingenuous one by bringing in countries that are vastly different from 1st world countries.

    Similar goes for the nonsense remark that many US murders are gang related and therefor really shouldn'd be counted.

    A murder is a murder is a murder.

    The UK has a vastly better record than the USA.

    Crap, typing on a smart pjone is hell.


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  • Snowygerry
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    That and the NRA narrative of course,

    Originally posted by SRV Ron View Post
    Wait a minute? Wasn't the general population completely disarmed when WW2 ended in a country where even the common kitchen knife is being made illegal ?
    ...America given this latest example of violence using a gun clearly shows the failure of gun control and the coddling of the criminal element.
    Please, someone do the OP a favour and whine a bit about this flagrant infraction of your God given rights, the Brits inabilty to own a shotgun and defend yourself from such rampages, blablabla,

    will you…
    Last edited by Snowygerry; 14 Aug 18, 07:25.

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  • m kenny
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    Originally posted by Karri View Post
    Is one shot fired a rampage?
    It was 2 shots (likely a sawn-off shotgun) and clearly 9 of the victims were (to use that lovely euphemism invented by the West to sanatise their civilian killings) 'collateral damage'
    So whilst the tabloid headline '10 Shot' is strictly accurate it gives a distorted view of what actually occurred.
    In my opinion this story got legs way before the facts were known and those looking to blame 'Moslems' for every evil act leapt on it because they believed it was a 'terror' attack. They really really wanted that version to be true and the way they have backed away from their initial wild claims in this thread is confirmation of that.
    Last edited by m kenny; 14 Aug 18, 07:10.

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  • Snowygerry
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    Only according to the Daily Mail.

    The fabled British phlegmatism is not wasted on the tabloids, apparently

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  • Karri
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    Is one shot fired a rampage?

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  • ljadw
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    The Cato Institute (which is the Koch Brothers ) is collaborating with The Center for American Progress (which is Soros ) in its war against the American people ,by trying to reform the American Prison System (which means the liberation of murderers,rapists, etc , to restart their rapes and murders ),by opening the borders for millions more of illegal immigrants and for more foreign products to enter the US ).
    The Cato Institute has joined Deep State .

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  • ljadw
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    Originally posted by E.D. Morel View Post

    Given the nature and substance of your posts I find your comment deeply ironic.

    So no wise people commit crimes?

    So nobody commits crime because they are an addict and have a compulsion to feed their addiction? I think you’ll find just about everyone who works in crime and addiction disagrees with you.
    People are responsible for their addictions, thus no excuses .They have all opportunities, paid by the taxpayer, to be delivered from their addiction .Addiction is not an excuse for committing crime.

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  • Von Richter
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    I can't... the poor misguided soul's doing a two stretch!

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  • ljadw
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    Originally posted by Half Pint John View Post
    Using Rinos as argument will not convince me .

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