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  • Originally posted by Gooner View Post

    "In a Brexit planning document published this afternoon the [Irish] Government says the checks required would disrupt trade between the UK and Ireland but says these checks would not take place at the border."

    It is the UK Parliament that will not accept the Agreement, not the Government,
    Well, the former UK government accepted the agreement of course, while parliament rejected it. But the present UK government is seen to also reject the agreement now. So that's three years wasted time.

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    • Originally posted by Gooner View Post

      "In a Brexit planning document published this afternoon the [Irish] Government says the checks required would disrupt trade between the UK and Ireland but says these checks would not take place at the border."

      It is the UK Parliament that will not accept the Agreement, not the Government,
      Oh, I though BoJo and his government was now rejecting the deal, along with the UK Parliament. Has something changed in the last few hours?

      I see you have quoted the article. Can I take it that you have read it in its entirety?
      Can I also take it that you know that the article is a month old.
      "The thing about quotes on the internet is that you cannot confirm their
      validity." - Abraham Lincoln.
      "Nothing's going to change while one side it lying about the cause and the other is lying about the solution" - Me

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      • A good indicator of where economies are going is their exchange rates; the guys who are putting their money where their mouth is are the guys the decide what those rates are.
        In the 20 years since the Euro was introduced the exchange rate has fluctuated but as of today it is very close to what it was 20 years ago.
        Since 1955 the value of the GB£ has dropped, relative to the US$ by an average of just under 1% per annum. In the last 30 days it has dropped by 3.5% relative to the Euro.
        Taking all the emotion and nationalism out of it, it does look like the UK is heading for some very difficult economic times.
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        validity." - Abraham Lincoln.
        "Nothing's going to change while one side it lying about the cause and the other is lying about the solution" - Me

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        • David Owen, former British Foreign Secretary, former deputy Leader of the Lim-Dem's and former EU co-chairman of the Conference on the former Yugoslavia, wrote a letter to European heads of State in March suggesting that the matter of whether the backstop is binding or non-binding under international law be referred to the European Court of Justice.

          Their subsequent determination would settle the matter and so either allow the Withdrawal Agreement to be ratified by the UK Parliament or force the EU side to accept that it has to be changed. Why has that not happened?
          "The thing about quotes on the internet is that you cannot confirm their
          validity." - Abraham Lincoln.
          "Nothing's going to change while one side it lying about the cause and the other is lying about the solution" - Me

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          • After reading all these blurbs why do I get the impression that the Britexers want their cake and eat it to........lets face it BJ, like his idol , DT, lied to you all and now want to blame some one else for the mess, just like DT....I guess we will be sending food packages to the UK, ala 1940 by next year, just like when I was a kid..........Good luck,, I think you will need it..

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            • When the Brexit vote was passed the UK Government gave assurances that they would respect the Good Friday Agreement in their proposal. Taking that into account the Irish Government and the EU waited for those proposals but all the UK government produced was red lines and bombast, more concerned with the internecine wars within the Tory Party than the people they were supposed to be governing for.
              Is a government made up of elites from a Party funded by the super rich really "of the people"? They have shown that they are certainly not "for the people" and when 150,000 geriatrics get to choose the leader of the country they are certainly not "by the people".

              It's a good job for the Tories that Labour are not much better when it comes to democracy and have a spineless leader who is deeply dislikable as a person and who, for most people, is completely unelectable.
              "The thing about quotes on the internet is that you cannot confirm their
              validity." - Abraham Lincoln.
              "Nothing's going to change while one side it lying about the cause and the other is lying about the solution" - Me

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              • Recent opinion poll:

                Parliament is more in tune with the public than Boris - Agree - 38%; Disagree - 62%
                Parliament is out of touch with the people - Agree - 88%; Disagree - 12%

                Boris needs to deliver Brexit by any means, including suspending Parliament if necessary - Agree - 54%; Disagree - 46%

                https://www.comresglobal.com/polls/t...l-august-2019/

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                • Originally posted by Gooner View Post
                  Recent opinion poll:

                  Parliament is more in tune with the public than Boris - Agree - 38%; Disagree - 62%
                  Parliament is out of touch with the people - Agree - 88%; Disagree - 12%

                  Boris needs to deliver Brexit by any means, including suspending Parliament if necessary - Agree - 54%; Disagree - 46%

                  https://www.comresglobal.com/polls/t...l-august-2019/
                  Excuse me ?

                  How do you "suspend parliament" - isn't that a "coup d'etat" then ?
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                  • Originally posted by Snowygerry View Post

                    Excuse me ?

                    How do you "suspend parliament" - isn't that a "coup d'etat" then ?
                    No, that's Prorogation
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                    validity." - Abraham Lincoln.
                    "Nothing's going to change while one side it lying about the cause and the other is lying about the solution" - Me

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                    • "John Major has continued his recent campaign to make a fool of himself with a threat this morning to take the Government to court if it prorogues parliament to enable a No Deal Brexit to take place. Funny how Major didn’t have such a problem with proroguing Parliament when he abused his power to do so in 1997 in order to delay the publication of a highly embarrassing report into the “cash for questions” sleaze scandal involving his Government. Flagrant hypocrisy even by his standards, he must be glad no-one sued him then…

                      Prorogation is presented as a power grab but in practice all it does is keep the law as it is – preventing changes to the statute being made for a time. It wouldn’t work as a mechanism to deliver a No Deal Brexit if MPs hadn’t already voted for No Deal. When they set it as the legal default by passing the EU Withdrawal Act a year ago.

                      The pernicious trend of Remainers trying to wage ‘lawfare’ against every political decision they don’t like is much more damaging to the constitutional balance of the state. There’s only one group of people who benefit from it – the lawyers…"

                      https://order-order.com/2019/07/10/j...ions-scrutiny/

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                      • Originally posted by Gooner View Post
                        "John Major has continued his recent campaign to make a fool of himself with a threat this morning to take the Government to court if it prorogues parliament to enable a No Deal Brexit to take place. Funny how Major didn’t have such a problem with proroguing Parliament when he abused his power to do so in 1997 in order to delay the publication of a highly embarrassing report into the “cash for questions” sleaze scandal involving his Government. Flagrant hypocrisy even by his standards, he must be glad no-one sued him then…

                        Prorogation is presented as a power grab but in practice all it does is keep the law as it is – preventing changes to the statute being made for a time. It wouldn’t work as a mechanism to deliver a No Deal Brexit if MPs hadn’t already voted for No Deal. When they set it as the legal default by passing the EU Withdrawal Act a year ago.

                        The pernicious trend of Remainers trying to wage ‘lawfare’ against every political decision they don’t like is much more damaging to the constitutional balance of the state. There’s only one group of people who benefit from it – the lawyers…"

                        https://order-order.com/2019/07/10/j...ions-scrutiny/
                        That's a very strange one-eyed view of things, requiring a stunning degree of mental acrobatics to present the suspension of the people's Parliament as a defence of democracy.
                        "The thing about quotes on the internet is that you cannot confirm their
                        validity." - Abraham Lincoln.
                        "Nothing's going to change while one side it lying about the cause and the other is lying about the solution" - Me

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                        • Originally posted by E.D. Morel View Post

                          That's a very strange one-eyed view of things, requiring a stunning degree of mental acrobatics to present the suspension of the people's Parliament as a defence of democracy.
                          Parliament is more in tune with the public than Boris - Agree - 38%; Disagree - 62%
                          Parliament is out of touch with the people - Agree - 88%; Disagree - 12%

                          Boris needs to deliver Brexit by any means, including suspending Parliament if necessary - Agree - 54%; Disagree - 46%

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                          • Originally posted by Gooner View Post

                            Parliament is more in tune with the public than Boris - Agree - 38%; Disagree - 62%
                            Parliament is out of touch with the people - Agree - 88%; Disagree - 12%

                            Boris needs to deliver Brexit by any means, including suspending Parliament if necessary - Agree - 54%; Disagree - 46%
                            That's from the poll about which the chief executive of Ipsos MORI, tweeted: "Telegraph reporting taking the **** by ignoring "don't knows" to present an apparent majority."

                            Laurence Janta-Lipinski, a pollster who has worked with YouGov, wrote: "Nobody should be surprised that it's a ComRes poll, for the Telegraph accompanied by a press release (from ComRes) that could have been written by Dom Cummings for Boris Johnson."

                            Best for Britain CEO Naomi Smith said it a "dodgy poll" that wasn't fooling anyone.

                            Separate polling by YouGov in June asked whether the public supports or opposes proroguing parliament to force a no-deal Brexit through and found 47% opposed it and just 24% supported it.

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                            "The thing about quotes on the internet is that you cannot confirm their
                            validity." - Abraham Lincoln.
                            "Nothing's going to change while one side it lying about the cause and the other is lying about the solution" - Me

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                            • Originally posted by E.D. Morel View Post
                              No, that's Prorogation
                              What happens to bills still in progress at prorogation?


                              Prorogation brings to an end nearly all parliamentary business.

                              However, Public Bills may be carried over from one session to the next, subject to agreement. The first Bill to be treated in this way was the Financial Services and Markets Bill in session 1998-99.
                              Which would mean another "extension" for Brexit (at least) untill after the next Uk general election no ?

                              Something quite similar happens here after a sitting government "falls", but that also means that anything else than concluding "running affairs" needs approval from same parliament OR the next one, usually with a qualified majority even.

                              Imho that's not as much a "suspended parliament" but rather a "suspended cabinet".
                              Last edited by Snowygerry; 14 Aug 19, 07:54.
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                              • Originally posted by E.D. Morel View Post

                                That's from the poll about which the chief executive of Ipsos MORI, tweeted: "Telegraph reporting taking the **** by ignoring "don't knows" to present an apparent majority."
                                Parliament is more in tune with the public than Boris - Agree - 25%; Disagree - 40%; Don't Know - 35%
                                Parliament is out of touch with the people - Agree - 77%; Disagree - 11%; Don't Know - 12%

                                Boris needs to deliver Brexit by any means, including suspending Parliament if necessary - Agree - 44%; Disagree - 37%; Don't Know - 19%

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