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  • Originally posted by Snowygerry View Post

    The population elects the MPs.

    How, and why, do they continuously, even in the process of Brexit, elect MPs that want something they don't, and then complain about it, even going as far to call it "treason".

    THAT's hard to understand, and to my knowledge hasn't been explained here.
    Could Nixon explain the lack of a "Missile Gap" during the 1960 presidential election season? Could JFK publicly reverse himself after the inauguration? Could JFK quietly reduce ICBM development and acquisition after his inauguration, without publicly announcing a change of policy?

    Even politicians have to admit that 2+2=4 when confronted by the cold hard facts of governance, at least behind closed doors if not publicly to their constituents. Running as a Brexit candidate is one thing: that's easy. Being the Brexit MP after reading the facts of the case might constitute prima fascia evidence of insanity.
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    • Originally posted by slick_miester View Post
      Running as a Brexit candidate is one thing: that's easy. Being the Brexit MP after reading the facts of the case might constitute prima fascia evidence of insanity.
      What, because Brexit is bad for Britain?

      https://order-order.com/2019/03/19/u...rate-45-years/

      "New figures published this morning by the Office For National Statistics has revealed that the proportion of people in paid work has risen from 75.3% to 76.1%, the highest employment rate on record. Despite Brexit…

      At the same time real wages have risen yet again by 1.5% after inflation, and the unemployment rate has fallen to just 3.9%. This is the first time it has been below 4% in 45 years. Guido is still waiting for those 800,000 job losses that the Remain Campaign promised us…"

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      • Originally posted by Gooner View Post

        What, because Brexit is bad for Britain?

        https://order-order.com/2019/03/19/u...rate-45-years/

        "New figures published this morning by the Office For National Statistics has revealed that the proportion of people in paid work has risen from 75.3% to 76.1%, the highest employment rate on record. Despite Brexit…

        At the same time real wages have risen yet again by 1.5% after inflation, and the unemployment rate has fallen to just 3.9%. This is the first time it has been below 4% in 45 years. Guido is still waiting for those 800,000 job losses that the Remain Campaign promised us…"
        So if Brexit is looking so good for the UK economically, then why aren't Tory MPs voting for it? Are Tories -- especially since the last general election -- ideologically wedded to the EU?

        To be frank, I can't see the present government continuing in its present fashion. Theresa May does not enjoy the confidence of the Tory faithful. I can't think of a time in recent British history when a general election was more necessary -- Gordon Brown's crash-n-burn act included. Get the ambivalent May out, and replace her with a Conservative leader whose completely unambiguous about Brexit. Get it over with already. Sht or get off the pot.

        Oh yeah, I forgot: there isn't a Tory who can keep Jeremy Corbyn out of 10 Downing Street.
        I was married for two ******* years! Hell would be like Club Med! - Sam Kinison

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        • Originally posted by Gooner View Post

          The difference between the EU and the WTO from the UK perspective is that the World Trade Organization can be trusted in its judgements - the EU cannot.


          BTW to be found in violation of WTO rules a third country would have to set up a dispute - which could be dismissed before hearing if thought to be frivolous - the dispute itself may take over a year before being resolved and then the UK can appeal against the WTO ruling, if it goes against the UK.

          The UK will, of course, be seeking trade deals and to reduce tariffs generally in our trade outside the EU. Any WTO complainant about borderless NI-ROI trade and the UK will naturally be looking at them less favourably.
          Which change nothing to the fact that a ruling agianst UK will have to be abide to. Like in EU.

          Blonk...

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          • The will of the People...…..
            51.9% vs 48.1% .
            Oh, there's a clear cut overwhelming majority .

            How about finding out the current will of the People? I mean, people have been able to think stuff over for whatsit, almost three years or so? Plenty of time to actually think things over.

            Aw. Let's not do that. And this is exemplary, not some extreme.

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            • Originally posted by Rutger View Post
              The will of the People...…..
              51.9% vs 48.1% .
              Oh, there's a clear cut overwhelming majority .

              How about finding out the current will of the People? I mean, people have been able to think stuff over for whatsit, almost three years or so? Plenty of time to actually think things over.
              How about asking properly, on a basis of actual information about the implications of the options? THAT has not been done so far.

              The polls are still made on a basis of too many British want irreconcilable things at the same time, meaning they really have to chose, but they not just don't want to chose, they also still think they need not chose. Largely because British politicians and media are still lying to them.

              Hence the unicorn and cherries tropes. The polling doesn't take the British magical thinking into account.

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              • Originally posted by Gooner View Post

                What, because Brexit is bad for Britain?

                https://order-order.com/2019/03/19/u...rate-45-years/

                "New figures published this morning by the Office For National Statistics has revealed that the proportion of people in paid work has risen from 75.3% to 76.1%, the highest employment rate on record. Despite Brexit…

                At the same time real wages have risen yet again by 1.5% after inflation, and the unemployment rate has fallen to just 3.9%. This is the first time it has been below 4% in 45 years. Guido is still waiting for those 800,000 job losses that the Remain Campaign promised us…"
                UK is still in EU so those economic results don't show actual Brexit effect.

                Blonk...

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                • Originally posted by slick_miester View Post
                  Get it over with already. Sht or get off the pot.
                  So far it has come yes,

                  I was reading a newspaper article on my way to work about a French MP who named her cat "Brexit", for she meows loudly every morning begging to get out, and then stares at the open door while refusing to actually move
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                  • Mrs. May has formally asked for an extension to article 50 until the 30th of June.
                    it seems it is harder than the little-englanders though to ignore reality
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                    validity." - Abraham Lincoln.
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                    • So the UK is off to the EU elections in May same as everyone else then?

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                      • Originally posted by Johan Banér View Post
                        So the UK is off to the EU elections in May same as everyone else then?
                        Who knows, they probably haven’t thought that bit through, sure why start now?!
                        "The thing about quotes on the internet is that you cannot confirm their
                        validity." - Abraham Lincoln.
                        "Nothing's going to change while one side it lying about the cause and the other is lying about the solution" - Me

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                        • Originally posted by E.D. Morel View Post
                          Who knows, they probably haven’t thought that bit through, sure why start now?!
                          Yes, who knows really? Maybe Luxemburg or someplace feels hacked off enough by the whole Brexit ordeal – and the charming descriptors various Brexiters have so far used for the EU – to just nix an extension?

                          Would be curious to see what the UK might try to sue the EU over, taking the advice of the Trumps?

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                          • One of the French EU ministers has named her pet "Brexit", because it stands by the door making loud noises but when she opens the door, the animal doesn't move.

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                            • Originally posted by Johan Banér View Post
                              How about asking properly, on a basis of actual information about the implications of the options? THAT has not been done so far.

                              The polls are still made on a basis of too many British want irreconcilable things at the same time, meaning they really have to chose, but they not just don't want to chose, they also still think they need not chose. Largely because British politicians and media are still lying to them.

                              Hence the unicorn and cherries tropes. The polling doesn't take the British magical thinking into account.
                              Rubbish.

                              Most of the main stream media, BBC, Sky and ITV campaigned in favour of the EU during the Referendum as did most senior politicians. They have been doing so ever since.
                              Despite all this EU propaganda the ordinary people resolutely voted against foreign domination and in favour of independence.
                              Now we just want to leave despite the desperate efforts of Quislings to keep us in.
                              "To be free is better than to be unfree - always."

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                              • Originally posted by slick_miester View Post

                                So if Brexit is looking so good for the UK economically, then why aren't Tory MPs voting for it? Are Tories -- especially since the last general election -- ideologically wedded to the EU?

                                To be frank, I can't see the present government continuing in its present fashion. Theresa May does not enjoy the confidence of the Tory faithful. I can't think of a time in recent British history when a general election was more necessary -- Gordon Brown's crash-n-burn act included. Get the ambivalent May out, and replace her with a Conservative leader whose completely unambiguous about Brexit. Get it over with already. Sht or get off the pot.

                                Oh yeah, I forgot: there isn't a Tory who can keep Jeremy Corbyn out of 10 Downing Street.
                                There are three theories about May.

                                1. She is just incompetent and weak and that is the reason she agreed the horrendous WDA and for the chais in Parliament.

                                2. She is an EU stooge and wants to force a situation whereby we will either never leave or only leave in name only for a brief period then rejoin.

                                3. She is incredibly devious and has been aiming for a WTO exit from the start but realised that if she openly campaigned for it it would be blocked. Thus by agreeing an unacceptable deal she forces a WTO exit.
                                "To be free is better than to be unfree - always."

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