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  • Vaeltaja
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    Originally posted by Gooner View Post
    You're doubling down on the fairytale.
    We will see.
    Sure the EU can act in this petty, aggressive manner. The main loser will be the EU consumer,
    It is not petty nor is it aggressive. The UK wants to be outside of the EU. That is what it means to be treated as a third country. That is what you want. That you may not like consequences is not my fault. And i doubt the EU consumer would be the loser. The UK is not the sole source for those fish. So it is unlikely that the consumer would bother paying more - they will just buy something else, from someone else, or just less. Which means that it would be UK fishermen who would end up footing the bill.
    You seem to have forgotten that the great bulk of the fish taken from our seas are taken by EU fishermen.
    No, i really have not. But causes for that are quite a bit more complex than what your simplistic viewpoint allows.
    Whilst in future UK fishermen selling catch to the EU might have higher costs than EU fishermen would have had before them, it will still be new profit and new business.
    Unlikely. For one fish do not respect borders. Second - increased costs mean decreased profitability and ever decreasing profit margin. If that goes - the industry goes. Keep in mind that the UK fishing industry is primarily exporting its catch - if access to that market becomes more costly it will hurt the fishermen.

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  • Snowygerry
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    Originally posted by Gooner View Post
    Fair enough.

    I am a bit surprised why the EU is making such a big fuss….
    *This* is not a big fuss, 1916 now that was a fuss

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  • E.D. Morel
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    Originally posted by Gooner View Post

    See previously supplied links https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R_(Fac..._for_Transport https://services.parliament.uk/bills...fisheries.html

    You do realise that the UK 'quota' of its own fish is only about 30% of the total?
    Ireland gets 16% of the fish in our waters. |Fishing was far less important than farming when we joined the EEC so we shafted the fishermen to get a better deal for the farmers. The UK probably did the same thing.

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  • Gooner
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    Originally posted by Johan Banér View Post
    Though certainly nationalization is always an option for any government. Bit radical though. Not friendly towards private enterprise at all, never mind free trade.
    See previously supplied links https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R_(Fac..._for_Transport https://services.parliament.uk/bills...fisheries.html

    You do realise that the UK 'quota' of its own fish is only about 30% of the total?

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  • Johan Banér
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    Originally posted by Gooner View Post

    You're doubling down on the fairytale.
    This is the problem with "taking back" the fish for the UK:

    https://crinaboros.tumblr.com/post/1...ns-squeeze-out

    Though certainly nationalization is always an option for any government. Bit radical though. Not friendly towards private enterprise at all, never mind free trade.

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  • Gooner
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    Originally posted by Snowygerry View Post

    I'm Belgian - "mildly amused" is as emotional we get in regard to international politics
    Fair enough.

    I am a bit surprised why the EU is making such a big fuss of an issue in which it is clearly in the wrong.
    Even if, somehow, the UK can be forced into making big concessions on this it cannot lead to the close and enduring relationship the EU claims that it wants ...

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  • Gooner
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    For those who like facts rather than fairytales, here's how foreign fishermen stole British fish from the UK's own 'quota'.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R_(Fac..._for_Transport


    Also the new Fisheries Bill currently going through Parliament.

    https://services.parliament.uk/bills...fisheries.html


    COMMON FISHERIES POLICY REGULATION: MINOR AND CONSEQUENTIAL AMENDMENTS
    1 The Common Fisheries Policy Regulation is amended as follows.
    2 Article 5 (right of equal access for EU fishing vessels to waters of member
    States) is revoked.
    3 Article 9 (principles and objectives of multiannual plans) is revoked.
    4 Article 10 (content of multiannual plans) is revoked.
    5 Article 16 (distribution of fishing opportunities by the Council to member
    States) is revoked.
    6 Annex I (right of equal access for EU fishing vessels to waters of member
    States) is revoked.

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  • Snowygerry
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    Originally posted by Gooner View Post
    Must make you proud.
    I'm Belgian - "mildly amused" is as emotional we get in regard to international politics

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  • Gooner
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    Originally posted by Snowygerry View Post

    And a great surplus of bankers and brokers in the city of London, tough choices will have to be made there
    Some surplus .. yes possibly.

    That's if the EU chooses to use blackmail to try to take another nations property.

    Must make you proud.

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  • Gooner
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    Originally posted by Vaeltaja View Post
    Not the ownership of the seas. The ownership-share of the UK's fishing quotas which the UK in a stroke of utter foolishness made into a tradeable commodity. And the UK can not just take it back since it was equated to a property. It has to be bought back. Otherwise the UK would be seizing and nationalizing foreign owned assets.
    You're doubling down on the fairytale.


    So that promises only lower value, increased costs - much lower profitability.
    Sure the EU can act in this petty, aggressive manner. The main loser will be the EU consumer,

    You seem to have forgotten that the great bulk of the fish taken from our seas are taken by EU fishermen.
    Whilst in future UK fishermen selling catch to the EU might have higher costs than EU fishermen would have had before them, it will still be new profit and new business.

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  • Snowygerry
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    Originally posted by Gooner View Post
    As it is when the UK regains control of its seas, there will be a great shortage of UK boats and trawlermen.
    And a great surplus of bankers and brokers in the city of London, tough choices will have to be made there

    https://scottalanturner.com/the-para...nd-the-banker/

    “Millions, señor? Then what?”

    To which the investment banker replied, “Then you would retire. You could move to a small coastal fishing village where you would sleep late, fish a little, play with your kids, take siesta with your wife, stroll to the village in the evenings where you could sip wine and play your guitar with your amigos.”

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  • Gooner
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    Originally posted by Metryll View Post

    While French fishers have effectively been left high and dry, they have, as a result, told Guernsey fishermen that "under no circumstances" are they to land and sell their catch in French markets, which are crucial to business.
    Send a message to Guernsey fisherman. They don't seem to realize how easy your solution is...


    https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/br...t-news-1385691

    Let me see, Channel Island fishermen won't be able to land their catches in France but French boats are laid up and French consumers aren't getting their fish, hmmm who loses most here

    As it is when the UK regains control of its seas, there will be a great shortage of UK boats and trawlermen. So if means no wet fish to France there are plenty of other catches and markets to exploit.


    Sooner or later the EU fishermen will have to grasp that stealing another countries fish is not a long term career choice.

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  • marktwain
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    Originally posted by Gooner View Post

    You still believe in the fairytale that EU fishermen have bought ownership of the UKs seas!



    Meh. A small disruption whilst other ports and/or markets for British fish are found.


    Since there are likely to be significant price hikes because of tariffs on EU meat and dairy, I predict UK consumers will start eating more of the lovely fish that dwell in our seas.
    Good for our health too!
    [/QUOTE]

    |You mean- canals .....

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  • Metryll
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    Originally posted by Gooner View Post
    Meh. A small disruption whilst other ports and/or markets for British fish are found.
    "Brexit confusion prompts fishing chaos as France and Guernsey swap 'bans' on catches

    ...

    While French fishers have effectively been left high and dry, they have, as a result, told Guernsey fishermen that "under no circumstances" are they to land and sell their catch in French markets, which are crucial to business.

    ...

    Fisherman Dougal Lane told the BBC the dispute has hit the industry "dramatically" and that he hopes a resolution is quickly found.

    "It should only affect the wet fish boats, the shellfish boats... can stall their catch for a week or so," he said.

    "But the wet fish boats have to sell our catch within three or four days.""

    Send a message to Guernsey fisherman. They don't seem to realize how easy your solution is...


    https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/br...t-news-1385691


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  • Vaeltaja
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    Originally posted by Gooner View Post
    You still believe in the fairytale that EU fishermen have bought ownership of the UKs seas!
    Not the ownership of the seas. The ownership-share of the UK's fishing quotas which the UK in a stroke of utter foolishness made into a tradeable commodity. And the UK can not just take it back since it was equated to a property. It has to be bought back. Otherwise the UK would be seizing and nationalizing foreign owned assets.
    Meh. A small disruption whilst other ports and/or markets for British fish are found.
    Possible, sure. But rather unlikely. There would likely be no ports in the required vicinity to take the fish. So they would need to go through the UK ports (and hence not be fresh and also be subjected to SPS checks). So that promises only lower value, increased costs - much lower profitability.
    Since there are likely to be significant price hikes because of tariffs on EU meat and dairy, I predict UK consumers will start eating more of the lovely fish that dwell in our seas.
    I doubt that. It would be a great for the UK domestically if such a change could be made but making such changes when it is not absolutely required is much harder than what it would seem. Fish-n-chips alone is a problem in that respect.

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