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  • Originally posted by Surrey View Post
    But the overwhelming majority of people voted for party's whose manifesto was to leave the EU.
    A 52/48 result is not a overwhelming majority, at least by Western everyday electoral standard.

    Was made so by the Withdrawl Act..
    No. Kind of referendum is to be set before vote. The Act by itself change in no way the non binding nature of referendum.

    The leaving of the single market and was clearly discussed by both sides in the Referendum.
    If it was the case then May rebuked plan would have not even been needed in first instance.

    In the UK operates a system of checks and balances with the executive separate from the legislature. The Government proposes laws and Parliament votes on whether to accept them or not. Parliament only has an extremely limited initiating role....
    "So can Parliament block a ‘no deal’ or a ‘bad deal’ Brexit? The answer must be that it cannot do so unilaterally unless the UK’s Article 50(2) notification is unilaterally revocable, in which case Parliament could insist that the UK Government withdraws that notification if Parliament decides that no acceptable deal has been reached."

    https://publiclawforeveryone.com/201...o-deal-brexit/

    Since the above has been written in October 2107, EU has clearly stated that Art 50 can be revoked. Hence Parliement has the upper hand there, not Government :


    "Revoke and reconsider

    The final option is one which is, as yet, little discussed. There is, following the Court’s judgment, no doubt that it is legally possible. Parliament could, quite simply, pass legislation which instructs the Government to revoke Article 50. This would, of course, appeal to remainers. I argue that it may also appeal to those leavers disenchanted by the available leave options."

    https://legalresearch.blogs.bris.ac....of-article-50/

    I very much doubt that.
    Yet EU has been solid on this point since June '16.






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    • Originally posted by Metryll View Post



      "So can Parliament block a ‘no deal’ or a ‘bad deal’ Brexit? The answer must be that it cannot do so unilaterally unless the UK’s Article 50(2) notification is unilaterally revocable, in which case Parliament could insist that the UK Government withdraws that notification if Parliament decides that no acceptable deal has been reached."




      The problem is that article 50 was triggered by an act of Parliament which means that it is the law that Britain leaves at the end of March whatever happens unless that law is repealed or amended. Both constitutionally and legally this can only be done effectively by passing another act, a simple vote by parliament won't do it so Parliament cannot simply block a no deal through a motion. Passing an Act takes various stages involving both houses and is not done quickly especially if there are some MPs and/or Lords are willing to throw procedural obstacles in its way.
      Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe (H G Wells)
      Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens (Friedrich von Schiller)

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        • Originally posted by Johan Banér View Post
          It always was about the UK forcing the Irish to do what the UK wants, wasn't it?

          No. And in the case of the border in Ireland it is the EU trying to force Ireland into doing what the EU wants but

          "the Taoiseach’s stated position as forcefully made to the Dáil Éireann
          “… we are not drawing up any plans for a border between Northern Ireland and Ireland full stop. Because there isn’t going to be one and I have made very clear to my counterpart in the UK and also to the other EU Prime Ministers that under no circumstances will there be a border full stop.”
          And "Taoiseach Leo Varadkar has told opposition leaders there is a “risk” border checks in a no-deal Brexit could be operated in France or the Netherlands as opposed to on the island of Ireland."

          https://order-order.com/2019/01/23/i...r-will-calais/

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            "Ask not what your country can do for you"

            Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

            you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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            • 'British politicians and media don't give a damn about what happens in one part of their precious union'

              "The thing about quotes on the internet is that you cannot confirm their
              validity." - Abraham Lincoln.
              "Nothing's going to change while one side it lying about the cause and the other is lying about the solution" - Me

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                • It seems that when James Dyson said that the UK would be the new Singapore he really meant that Singapore would be the new UK.
                  Talk is cheap but has the decision to move the Dyson head office from England to Singapore really got nothing to do with Brexit?
                  "The thing about quotes on the internet is that you cannot confirm their
                  validity." - Abraham Lincoln.
                  "Nothing's going to change while one side it lying about the cause and the other is lying about the solution" - Me

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                  • Originally posted by E.D. Morel View Post
                    It seems that when James Dyson said that the UK would be the new Singapore he really meant that Singapore would be the new UK.
                    Talk is cheap but has the decision to move the Dyson head office from England to Singapore really got nothing to do with Brexit?
                    Jacob Rees-Mog opened an Office in Ireland to make sure he keeps making his money and Nigel Lawson has applied for French Residency.
                    Do as I say not as I do...............

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                    • And yet, these are the people willing to commit murder to remain British.
                      Indyref2 - still, "Yes."

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                      • Originally posted by the ace View Post

                        And yet, these are the people willing to commit murder to remain British.
                        Which British politicians have committed murder? Other than to the English language, logic etc etc
                        Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe (H G Wells)
                        Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens (Friedrich von Schiller)

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                        • Originally posted by the ace View Post

                          And yet, these are the people willing to commit murder to remain British.
                          And there are those who are willing to commit murder to stop being British and become part of an Ireland that finds them as strange and alien and English would find Unionists (though most English would have to become aware of their existence first). There's not much virtue on either side in Northern Ireland.
                          "The thing about quotes on the internet is that you cannot confirm their
                          validity." - Abraham Lincoln.
                          "Nothing's going to change while one side it lying about the cause and the other is lying about the solution" - Me

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                          • Originally posted by Gooner View Post

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                            • Originally posted by MarkV View Post

                              Which British politicians have committed murder? Other than to the English language, logic etc etc
                              The link is to Northern Ireland, where denizens literally took up arms to remain British.
                              Indyref2 - still, "Yes."

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                              • Originally posted by MarkV View Post

                                Which British politicians have committed murder?
                                That's a very open question. There's many a polemic answering it but that's for a different thread.
                                "The thing about quotes on the internet is that you cannot confirm their
                                validity." - Abraham Lincoln.
                                "Nothing's going to change while one side it lying about the cause and the other is lying about the solution" - Me

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