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  • Johan Banér
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    Exactly, the UK wants a lot of things, but the question is specifically what kind of relationship it actually wants with the EU after leaving.

    Edit: Or in other words the UK has clearly wanted many things, except to have to chose between them. And that's what now looks like actually approaching.

    The EU can't chose for the UK, but also won't roll over to the extent of actually relieving the UK of the onerous task of making these choices (which seems fair, since the UK brought about the situation itself).
    Last edited by Johan Banér; 29 Feb 20, 03:18.

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  • Karri
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    Originally posted by Gooner View Post


    What the UK has wanted has been very clear from early on.
    Yes, everything. But that isn't gonna happen, that much has been clear since you empire peaked.

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  • Gooner
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    Originally posted by Johan Banér View Post
    Anything that adds a smidge of clarity to what the UK government actually, finally, wants is welcome.

    Ever the bad grace is it?
    You don't think your first statement here might be linked to your second in any way?


    What the UK has wanted has been very clear from early on.

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  • Johan Banér
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    Originally posted by Gooner View Post




    Here ya go https://www.gov.uk/government/public...ip-with-the-eu

    Though I suspect you'll need instruction before you know what to think of it.
    Anything that adds a smidge of clarity to what the UK government actually, finally, wants is welcome.

    Ever the bad grace is it? Since you emote it so strongly, is this something we should consider the new normal for the UK?

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  • Gooner
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    Originally posted by Metryll View Post

    Ask Guernsey fisherman. It took their govrnment less than a week before lifting the ban.
    There was no ban. Guernsey, which is independent of the UK, merely required French fishermen fishing their waters, to acquire a permit to do so. From 01/01/2021 they will require a licence - French skippers who behave naughtily need not apply.

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  • E.D. Morel
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    Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post
    What are the chances of Northern Ireland uniting with The Republic of Ireland?
    Unlikely any time in the next 20 years.

    Northern Ireland is economically and socially generations behind Ireland and the gap is getting bigger. Despite the fact that Sinn Féin did well in the recent election here (or maybe because of it) there is little real appetite for the reality of a united Ireland.
    The Good Friday Agreement requires a majority vote in both Northern Ireland and Ireland for reunification.

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  • Stonewall_Jack
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    What are the chances of Northern Ireland uniting with The Republic of Ireland?

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  • Metryll
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    Originally posted by Gooner View Post
    Let me see, Channel Island fishermen won't be able to land their catches in France but French boats are laid up and French consumers aren't getting their fish, hmmm who loses most here
    Ask Guernsey fisherman. It took their govrnment less than a week before lifting the ban.

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  • Gooner
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    Originally posted by Johan Banér View Post
    All the EU really asked for was for the UK to clearly indicate what kind of future relationship it wants with the EU.



    Here ya go https://www.gov.uk/government/public...ip-with-the-eu

    Though I suspect you'll need instruction before you know what to think of it.

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  • Johan Banér
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    All the EU really asked for was for the UK to clearly indicate what kind of future relationship it wants with the EU. Though apparently the UK now wants a pretty distant one. Whatever will be made to work however. (In fact the EU bent over backwards to accommodate all May's "red lines", which Johnson then didn't seem too bothered about, except it now looks like he might just ignore previous commitments?)

    All the EU should be looking at is getting the basics sorted quickly, while covering its ass against potential UK back-tracking and gaming the system of whatever can be agreed here.

    Unfortunately with the apparent current talking points coming out of Whitehall, it doesn't look all that far fetched to think that the Irish Question will soon rear its dreaded head again? (It's not just the EU that's against that, the US has been pretty vocal about its commitment to things as well.)

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  • Gooner
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    Anyway the UK has published its approach for an agreement https://www.gov.uk/government/public...ip-with-the-eu

    "
    The document sets out our approach to our Future Relationship with the European Union.

    Our approach lays out our suite of proposals with the EU. The main element is the comprehensive Free Trade Agreement, or FTA, covering substantially all trade. We have also proposed a separate agreement on fisheries that will take back control of our waters, as is our right as an independent coastal state; an agreement on law enforcement and judicial cooperation in criminal matters to help protect the public and bring criminals to justice; and agreements in technical areas covering aviation, energy and civil nuclear cooperation which will help ensure continuity for the UK on its new footing as an independent sovereign nation.

    We are seeking the type of agreement which the EU has already concluded in recent years with Canada and other friendly countries. Our proposal draws on previous EU agreements such as the Comprehensive Economic Trade Agreement, the EU/Japan Economic Partnership Agreement and the EU/South Korea Free Trade Agreement. And it is consistent with the Political Declaration agreed last October, in which both sides set the aim of concluding a ‘zero tariffs, zero quotas’ Free Trade Agreement.

    Our approach is based on friendly cooperation between sovereign equals. Our offer outlined today represents our clear and unwavering view that the UK will always have control of its own laws, political life and rules. Instead, both parties will respect each other’s legal autonomy and the right to manage its own borders, immigration policy and taxes.

    We believe that our approach and proposals are fair and reasonable. This Government is committed to establishing the future relationship in ways that benefit the whole of the UK and strengthen the Union."



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  • Gooner
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    Originally posted by E.D. Morel View Post

    Ireland gets 16% of the fish in our waters. |Fishing was far less important than farming when we joined the EEC so we shafted the fishermen to get a better deal for the farmers. The UK probably did the same thing.
    I think Irish fishermen got compensated by getting a nice chunk of UK waters

    Whilst UK farmers do seem to have done well out of EEC membership, that money has come out of the pockets of other UK taxpayers.

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  • marktwain
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    Originally posted by Snowygerry View Post

    In the "Rising Pub" Chelsea FC was founded, as was BC Boca Juniors in a bodega unknown, in their first game ever, Holland beat Belgium 1 - 4, in Antwerp….

    You see, we keep different timelines here, of the really important things

    https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/1905
    That is a good point The KMG Volkstrumm looks like a one way cruise to the dime store Valhalla.

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  • Snowygerry
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    Originally posted by marktwain View Post
    Or 1905.
    In the "Rising Pub" Chelsea FC was founded, as was BC Boca Juniors in a bodega unknown, in their first game ever, Holland beat Belgium 1 - 4, in Antwerp….

    You see, we keep different timelines here, of the really important things

    https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/1905

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  • marktwain
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    Originally posted by Snowygerry View Post

    *This* is not a big fuss, 1916 now that was a fuss
    Or 1905.
    Perhaps the russians can 'arbitrate' again.
    or Das Herrenvolk....

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