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  • It appears May believes:


    a) the EU need the UK far more than the UK needs them

    b) It just needs a bit more time for this to sink in and eventually the EU will come to its senses and completely cave-in to every UK demand. The EU will blink first and grant The UK all of the benefits of being in The EU without having to submit to any EU oversight or sanction.
    The fruitcakes dream of having lots cakes (their own and everyone else's) and eating them all!

    She is completely wrong and it now appears Merkle has finally accepted the UK is crashing out and is taking concrete steps to deal with the resulting disruption rather than waste any more time trying to reason with the Jacob-Rees Johnson crazies.
    Last edited by m kenny; 17 Oct 18, 20:22.

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    • Originally posted by Karri View Post
      Latest round of negotiations ended up with the same result as previous ones: UK needs to make up its mind.
      We need to walk now. May is just humiliating herself and us by continuing the negotiations. Wto and no deal.
      "To be free is better than to be unfree - always."

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      • Originally posted by Surrey View Post

        We need to walk now. May is just humiliating herself and us by continuing the negotiations. Wto and no deal.
        That's what it looks like, spend a few years in poverty and come back a bit wiser.
        Wisdom is personal

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        • Can the UK even wrangle a majority for walking away at this point? The problem now seems not just that the UK as deferred making the necessary, hard choices, but that there doesn't seem to be a sufficient majority for picking any of the alternatives;— whether a supposed hard, soft or some kind of intermediary Brexit.

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          • If it was a free vote in Parliament then the crazies would be a noisy but tiny minority. They would simply have no leverage. However it has become an issue that both Labour and Tory are using to further their own agenda's and the interests of the nation mean nothing. Labour are using the chaos to get an election and are quite prepared to ruin the nation in order to get into Office.
            The only certain thing is that if MPs were allowed to vote according to their beliefs the extreme Brexiteers would be massively outvoted.
            The Brexiteers main plank for decades was to restore the supremacy of Parliament but in the case of voting on this issue they want Parliament to have no say in the matter.

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            • The apparent UK govt inability to face up to making some of the necessary hard choices – and that it should be obvious that the EU cannot chose for Britain – is weirdly starting to look like just maybe the Brexiters, at some deep dark level they might never own up to, would not actually be averse to the EU stepping in, strong-arming UK into submission (there sure is a lot of narrative in that direction already), and decreeing something that sorta kinda WILL work for the EU and the UK. After which everyone can get on with things, and post-Brexit UK can spend the next half-century or so blaming the EU for anything not-good happening to the UK. They might actually be happier like that on some level...

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              • Originally posted by Karri View Post

                That's what it looks like, spend a few years in poverty and come back a bit wiser.
                So the EU is still threatening the UK with economic Blackmail to force continued submission and tribute payments to Brussels?
                How shocking.


                They should make separate deals with Visegrad.
                And there is a much bigger world than just Europe out there, China and the US still have larger economies than the EU.
                Buh-bye!
                "Why is the Rum gone?"

                -Captain Jack

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                • Originally posted by Johan Banér View Post
                  Can the UK even wrangle a majority for walking away at this point? The problem now seems not just that the UK as deferred making the necessary, hard choices, but that there doesn't seem to be a sufficient majority for picking any of the alternatives;— whether a supposed hard, soft or some kind of intermediary Brexit.
                  If nothing can get through the Parliament then the default is no deal and we leave the EU at the end of March with no transition period.. The Act exiting the EU has already been passed. Parliamentary approval is required for any exit payment or approval for any arrangements after leaving. At the moment one side or the other are going to veto any plan so all of May's crawling serves no purpose even if the EU were to toss her a bone.
                  "To be free is better than to be unfree - always."

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                  • Originally posted by Johan Banér View Post
                    The apparent UK govt inability to face up to making some of the necessary hard choices – and that it should be obvious that the EU cannot chose for Britain – is weirdly starting to look like just maybe the Brexiters, at some deep dark level they might never own up to, would not actually be averse to the EU stepping in, strong-arming UK into submission (there sure is a lot of narrative in that direction already), and decreeing something that sorta kinda WILL work for the EU and the UK. After which everyone can get on with things, and post-Brexit UK can spend the next half-century or so blaming the EU for anything not-good happening to the UK. They might actually be happier like that on some level...
                    The Brexiters want a free trade agreement with the EU similar to that with Canada. The problem with this is that the EU demands that it annex Northern Ireland as the price for any agreement. If the EU dropped its territorial ambitions then an agreement could be rapidly reached.
                    "To be free is better than to be unfree - always."

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                    • Originally posted by The Exorcist View Post

                      So the EU is still threatening the UK with economic Blackmail to force continued submission and tribute payments to Brussels?
                      How shocking.


                      They should make separate deals with Visegrad.
                      And there is a much bigger world than just Europe out there, China and the US still have larger economies than the EU.
                      Buh-bye!
                      No... You sound like you either don't know what's going on, or you are confusing things with US politics.
                      Wisdom is personal

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                      • Originally posted by The Exorcist View Post

                        So the EU is still threatening the UK with economic Blackmail to force continued submission and tribute payments to Brussels?
                        How shocking.
                        What is more shocking is telling a club you are leaving but demanding you retain unfettered access to all the facilities and privileges available to the fee paying members.




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                        • Originally posted by Karri View Post

                          you are confusing things with US politics.

                          The UK will have to default to the lower US food standards start eating chlorinated chicken

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                            • Originally posted by m kenny View Post


                              The UK will have to default to the lower US food standards start eating chlorinated chicken
                              As opposed to chlorinated salads:

                              Careful use of Chlorine

                              When chlorine is used, levels are carefully monitored and kept to a level that is sufficient to keep the washwater microbiologically clean and prevent re-soiling. Levels used in the UK compare favourably with those in other countries where this technique is used. Levels of residual chlorine on the final product are negligible and the wash water is treated to remove any residual chlorine prior to discharge, as required by the Environment Agency.

                              Chlorinated water is currently the most efficient and cost effective way to keep the wash water clean. Other methods of sanitisation are being considered by the industry. However trials carried out by CFA member companies have not yet found any performance advantage over current systems. The industry continues to investigate alternatives.
                              https://www.chilledfood.org/produce-washing/

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                              • Originally posted by Surrey View Post

                                The Brexiters want a free trade agreement with the EU similar to that with Canada. The problem with this is that the EU demands that it annex Northern Ireland as the price for any agreement. If the EU dropped its territorial ambitions then an agreement could be rapidly reached.
                                Oh, you want the Canada? Well, just maybe you should have said so then.

                                And preferably before pledging a bunch of things that pretty much rules that out, and even signing on it...

                                No one held a gun to the UK's head. It has only itself to blame.

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