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  • Conquering their neighbors? You need to read up a bit more on these wars, Surrey.

    With that out of the way.

    Second Schleswig war – Took place before the unification

    Franco Prussian war – Was started by the French as a response to German unification.

    Austro-Prussian War – Germans fighting Germans. Later the Austrian Germans would unite with the rest of Germany, which they wanted to do after WWI already but was forbidden to do by the Entente. After having united with the rest of Germany during WWII, they were broken up after the war.

    Oh and by the way Surrey, as you well know Germany is still the leading nation in Europe yet again, despite having been severely geographically crippled, and once again through hard work.

    It was hard work that earned them their spot, both past and present, this cannot be said about the English and the French.

    Thanks for playing.

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    • Nazi tosh.

      War against Denmark - Germans under Prussian leadership attack and seize part of Denmark.

      War against Austria - in a manufactured dispute over their ill gotten gains the Prussians seize control of the minor German states.

      War against France - Bismarck provokes a war with France and seize border territory.

      Build up navy in run up to ww1 to try and challenge and threaten Britain.

      WW1 Germans try it once too often and are beaten back by an Alliance fed up with German aggression.

      Ww2 Try again under Hitler. Uniting with their Aryan brothes in Austriaas you say. This time beaten properly by Allies. Germans descend to new depths of barbarism during the war. Proper treaty imposed by Allies after war with long term occupation to make sure that the Germans don't threaten the world again.

      Up until the end of WW2 Germany is a bandit state, seeking to expand at the expense of their neighbours leading to countless millions dead.

      It is only after ww2 that Germany becomes civilised through the De Nazifcation process and learns the value of hard work. It is only then that Germans learn that they can have a good and prosperous life without stealing from their neighbours. It is only then that they work hard and reap the benefits of their efforts.


      "To be free is better than to be unfree - always."

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      • Take this to the WW1 forum - tomorrow marks the centenary of the breach of the Hindenberg line.

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        • Originally posted by Surrey View Post

          It is only after ww2 that Germany becomes civilised through the De Nazifcation process and learns the value of hard work. It is only then that Germans learn that they can have a good and prosperous life without stealing from their neighbours. It is only then that they work hard and reap the benefits of their efforts.

          Germany pre-WW1 better voting rights and social welfare schemes than the UK. True Hitler destroyed all that 1933-45 but since then the Germans have reclaimed their spot as the leading European economy, a Europe that includes the UK.
          The same Germans who clawed their way back to the top of the hill post 1945 were the same Germans climbing it in 1910. The 2 wars delayed the German rise but they could never stop it happening.
          The Brexiteer hatred of Germany is deep-rooted but basically it is nothing more than a desire for revenge on those they think stole their spot on the world stage.

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          • @Surrey
            I was just wondering where the mandatory National Socialist waffle went, was expeting it much sooner. Weak game indeed.

            Originally posted by Surrey
            War against France - Bismarck provokes a war with France and seize border territory.
            The French started the war, not the other way around. Territory gained was reclaimed German territory.

            Originally posted by Surrey
            War against Austria - in a manufactured dispute over their ill gotten gains the Prussians seize control of the minor German states.
            .Germans fighting Germans.

            Originally posted by Surrey
            Build up navy in run up to ww1 to try and challenge and threaten Britain.
            Conjecture in terms of any threat to England, and Germany had every right to expand on her fleet.

            Originally posted by Surrey
            WW1 Germans try it once too often and are beaten back by an Alliance fed up with German aggression.
            Germany was not interested in war and she had nothing to gain from it, she had already reached leading position, as well as unified.

            England, France and Russia on the other hand had a bigger interest in war. England wanted to crush Germany to get rid of her as a competing power, France had been humiliated in the Franco-Prussian war and wanted revenge, after all, the French had been pretty much used to do as she pleased on the European continent for around the past 200 years, that is to say, until German unification, and Russia wanted access into the Baltic sea. Which she got after two wars.

            Check a map, go to East Prussia, look at the Königsberg. Today Kalingrad.


            The unjust treaty of Versailles clearly demonstrated the desire and intent of crushing and humiliating the German nation, it also made sure there would be a second war, which gave rise to National Socialism.

            But I digress.

            Originally posted by Surrey
            Up until the end of WW2 Germany is a bandit state, seeking to expand at the expense of their neighbours leading to countless millions dead. .
            Far from a bandit state, not even close too it. In fact Germany was the economic and military and cultural and scientific center and powerhouse of the entire continent leading up to WWI. You yokels weren't even in the race.


            Originally posted by Surrey
            It is only after ww2 that Germany becomes civilised through the De Nazifcation process and learns the value of hard work.
            The Germans have always known hard work and also been valued for their hard work and discipline as well as cultural contributions, there's not a single nation that has not benefited greatly from German immigration, heck even Catherine the great of Russia invited them, this can neither be said about the English and the French, having ever been invited into another nation.

            You weren't exactly invited into the colonies and the third world countries that you subjugated when building your Empires either.
            Last edited by walle; 28 Sep 18, 17:39.

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            • Russia wanted access into the Baltic sea. Which she got after two wars.

              Check a map, go to East Prussia, look at the Königsberg. Today Kalingrad.


              The unjust treaty of Versailles clearly demonstrated the desire and intent of crushing and humiliating the German nation, it also made sure there would be a second war, which gave rise to National Socialism.
              Wow. I didn't knew that Russia get access to Baltic Sea only after two world wars.

              Compared with Brest-Litovsk treaty and treaty of Frankfurt, Germany was treated pretty well in Versailles, for all the terror in conducted.
              There are no Nazis in Ukraine. © Idiots

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              • Originally posted by Surrey View Post
                Up until the end of WW2 Germany is a bandit state, seeking to expand at the expense of their neighbours leading to countless millions dead.

                It is only after ww2 that Germany becomes civilised through the De Nazifcation process and learns the value of hard work. It is only then that Germans learn that they can have a good and prosperous life without stealing from their neighbours. It is only then that they work hard and reap the benefits of their efforts.
                So when did England become 'civilised', learn the value of hard work and stop being a bandit state ruling over its illegal conquests? After the loss of India? After the failed invasion of Egypt in '56? The withdrawal east of Suez in the late 60s? Independence of Fiji & Vanuatu? Invasion of Iraq & Afghanistan? maybe the Good Friday agreement?

                Or maybe England has never really civilised and learned the value of hard work. Judging by the 'magic happens' attitudes of Brexiteers and the derision they heap on the aspirations for independence of the Scots, it seems that England has a way to go to reach the level of maturity Germany has managed. Clearly Germany started the process of 'civilising' somewhat earlier.

                Human beings are the only creatures on Earth that claim a god and the only living thing that behaves like it hasn't got one - Hunter S. Thompson

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                • Originally posted by walle View Post
                  @Surrey
                  I was just wondering where the mandatory National Socialist waffle went, was expeting it much sooner. Weak game indeed.


                  The French started the war, not the other way around. Territory gained was reclaimed German territory.

                  .Germans fighting Germans.


                  Conjecture in terms of any threat to England, and Germany had every right to expand on her fleet.


                  Germany was not interested in war and she had nothing to gain from it, she had already reached leading position, as well as unified.

                  England, France and Russia on the other hand had a bigger interest in war. England wanted to crush Germany to get rid of her as a competing power, France had been humiliated in the Franco-Prussian war and wanted revenge, after all, the French had been pretty much used to do as she pleased on the European continent for around the past 200 years, that is to say, until German unification, and Russia wanted access into the Baltic sea. Which she got after two wars.

                  Check a map, go to East Prussia, look at the Königsberg. Today Kalingrad.


                  The unjust treaty of Versailles clearly demonstrated the desire and intent of crushing and humiliating the German nation, it also made sure there would be a second war, which gave rise to National Socialism.

                  But I digress.


                  Far from a bandit state, not even close too it. In fact Germany was the economic and military and cultural and scientific center and powerhouse of the entire continent leading up to WWI. You yok weren't even in the race.




                  The Germans have always known hard work and also been valued for their hard work and discipline as well as cultural contributions, there's not a single nation that has not benefited greatly from German immigration, heck even Catherine the great of Russia invited them, this can neither be said about the English and the French, having ever been invited into another nation.

                  You weren't exactly invited into the colonies and the third world countries that you subjugated when building your Empires either.
                  The above typical European attitude clearly explains why we want nothing to do with the EU.

                  They cant even get the UK's name right. It is interesting how goose steppers always do that. England hasn't been a country since 1707. The rest is just conspiracy theory.

                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust German 'hard work' before 1945.


                  Last edited by Surrey; 29 Sep 18, 01:47.
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                  • Originally posted by BF69 View Post

                    So when did England become 'civilised', learn the value of hard work and stop being a bandit state ruling over its illegal conquests? After the loss of India? After the failed invasion of Egypt in '56? The withdrawal east of Suez in the late 60s? Independence of Fiji & Vanuatu? Invasion of Iraq & Afghanistan? maybe the Good Friday agreement?

                    Or maybe England has never really civilised and learned the value of hard work. Judging by the 'magic happens' attitudes of Brexiteers and the derision they heap on the aspirations for independence of the Scots, it seems that England has a way to go to reach the level of maturity Germany has managed. Clearly Germany started the process of 'civilising' somewhat earlier.
                    England didn't rule India nor invade Egypt, nor Iraq, or Afghanistan etc.....
                    "To be free is better than to be unfree - always."

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                    • Originally posted by Surrey
                      The above typical European attitude clearly explains why we want nothing to do with the EU.
                      Nice comeback, admission of defeat accepted.

                      Ah and there it is...took you long enough.

                      Originally posted by Surrey
                      Nice touch of throwing in the holocaust for good messure, dubbing it as hard work too, just goes to show how weak your postion truly is.

                      As you are well aware of, the holocaust is four years of Germanys 1000 year long history, and it did not take place when Germany was the economic and military and cultural and scientific center and powerhouse of the entire continent leading up to WWI either. As a matter of fact, Germany was greatly admired at the time.

                      Now if you wanna add the amount of dead as a result of English and German aggression around the globe, be my guest. I understand that your position as an Englishman is that when you conduct genocide and cultural subjugation of third worlders, that it was done in furtherance of civilization.

                      But hey, I'll play.

                      Originally posted by Surrey
                      They cant even get the UK's name right. It is interesting how goose steppers always do that. England hasn't been a country since 1707.
                      England is a country just like Scotland and Wales and Northern Ireland are. Four different peoples, four different cultures, four different languages, although the Scots and the Welsh and the Irish speak English as a result of your dominance in the region.

                      England is however in a Union with these three nations, an imposed one after the English had been warring them and subjugating them, more so the Welsh and the Irish. The Scots they never fully managed to subjugate, so you then changed tactic and managed to get the Scottish nobility on board.

                      Then it was onto the world...

                      The fact that you seem unable to make the distinction between Britain (an ilsand) the UK (the union) and England (the country) comes as no suprise.
                      It’s like British and English. Not the same thing, they are not interchangeable. Yet you English aren't generally speaking capable of making the distinction, whereas the Scots and the Welsh and the Irish generally don't have this problem.


                      England always ruled the Union, just like Russia did the Soviet Union. The two countries were the dominant ones.

                      So, saying English is perfectly acceptable in this context. "Credit" where credit is due.
                      Last edited by walle; 30 Sep 18, 03:13.

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                      • Originally posted by Surrey View Post

                        England didn't rule India nor invade Egypt, nor Iraq, or Afghanistan etc.....
                        Inability to debate (or possibly even understand) my post duly noted. Always nice to have someone prove your point for you.
                        Human beings are the only creatures on Earth that claim a god and the only living thing that behaves like it hasn't got one - Hunter S. Thompson

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                        • Seems we have another "The Empire"in denial

                          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Anglo-Afghan_War

                          250px-England_in_the_UK_and_Europe.svg.png What is that first word under the map? Country.
                          Last edited by Half Pint John; 30 Sep 18, 06:16.
                          "Ask not what your country can do for you"

                          Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

                          you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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                          • Originally posted by Surrey View Post
                            England didn't rule India nor invade Egypt, nor Iraq, or Afghanistan etc.....
                            Originally posted by BF69 View Post

                            Inability to debate (or possibly even understand) my post duly noted. Always nice to have someone prove your point for you.
                            English invasions were of
                            • France
                            • Spain
                            • Scotland
                            • Wales
                            • Ireland

                            (and if you believe Blackadder 1 Switzerland)

                            England has also been at war with but not invaded the Netherlands, the Papal States and Denmark

                            Britain (or if you prefer UK but that's not strictly correct) has at one time or another been at war with almost everybody that existed as an entity pre 1945 including Switzerland. The English empire was essentially a chunk of modern France, a tiny bit of Spain and later some miserable struggling colonies in North America, a small portion of North Africa a tiny island in today's Indonesia and a string of trading posts in sub Saharan Africa and India. The British Empire was somewhat more extensive. .
                            Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe (H G Wells)
                            Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens (Friedrich von Schiller)

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                            • Read the second line of your link.
                              "To be free is better than to be unfree - always."

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                              • whom they installed upon conquering Kabul in August 1839
                                "Ask not what your country can do for you"

                                Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

                                you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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