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  • All the EU really asked for was for the UK to clearly indicate what kind of future relationship it wants with the EU. Though apparently the UK now wants a pretty distant one. Whatever will be made to work however. (In fact the EU bent over backwards to accommodate all May's "red lines", which Johnson then didn't seem too bothered about, except it now looks like he might just ignore previous commitments?)

    All the EU should be looking at is getting the basics sorted quickly, while covering its ass against potential UK back-tracking and gaming the system of whatever can be agreed here.

    Unfortunately with the apparent current talking points coming out of Whitehall, it doesn't look all that far fetched to think that the Irish Question will soon rear its dreaded head again? (It's not just the EU that's against that, the US has been pretty vocal about its commitment to things as well.)

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    • Originally posted by Johan Banér View Post
      All the EU really asked for was for the UK to clearly indicate what kind of future relationship it wants with the EU.



      Here ya go https://www.gov.uk/government/public...ip-with-the-eu

      Though I suspect you'll need instruction before you know what to think of it.

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      • Originally posted by Gooner View Post
        Let me see, Channel Island fishermen won't be able to land their catches in France but French boats are laid up and French consumers aren't getting their fish, hmmm who loses most here
        Ask Guernsey fisherman. It took their govrnment less than a week before lifting the ban.

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        • What are the chances of Northern Ireland uniting with The Republic of Ireland?
          Long live the Lionheart! Please watch this video
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=jRDwlR4zbEM
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3DBaY0RsxU
          Accept the challenges so that you can feel the exhilaration of victory.

          George S Patton

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          • Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post
            What are the chances of Northern Ireland uniting with The Republic of Ireland?
            Unlikely any time in the next 20 years.

            Northern Ireland is economically and socially generations behind Ireland and the gap is getting bigger. Despite the fact that Sinn Féin did well in the recent election here (or maybe because of it) there is little real appetite for the reality of a united Ireland.
            The Good Friday Agreement requires a majority vote in both Northern Ireland and Ireland for reunification.
            "The thing about quotes on the internet is that you cannot confirm their
            validity." - Abraham Lincoln.
            "Nothing's going to change while one side it lying about the cause and the other is lying about the solution" - Me

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            • Originally posted by Metryll View Post

              Ask Guernsey fisherman. It took their govrnment less than a week before lifting the ban.
              There was no ban. Guernsey, which is independent of the UK, merely required French fishermen fishing their waters, to acquire a permit to do so. From 01/01/2021 they will require a licence - French skippers who behave naughtily need not apply.

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              • Originally posted by Gooner View Post




                Here ya go https://www.gov.uk/government/public...ip-with-the-eu

                Though I suspect you'll need instruction before you know what to think of it.
                Anything that adds a smidge of clarity to what the UK government actually, finally, wants is welcome.

                Ever the bad grace is it? Since you emote it so strongly, is this something we should consider the new normal for the UK?

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                • Originally posted by Johan Banér View Post
                  Anything that adds a smidge of clarity to what the UK government actually, finally, wants is welcome.

                  Ever the bad grace is it?
                  You don't think your first statement here might be linked to your second in any way?


                  What the UK has wanted has been very clear from early on.

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                  • Originally posted by Gooner View Post


                    What the UK has wanted has been very clear from early on.
                    Yes, everything. But that isn't gonna happen, that much has been clear since you empire peaked.
                    Wisdom is personal

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                    • Exactly, the UK wants a lot of things, but the question is specifically what kind of relationship it actually wants with the EU after leaving.

                      Edit: Or in other words the UK has clearly wanted many things, except to have to chose between them. And that's what now looks like actually approaching.

                      The EU can't chose for the UK, but also won't roll over to the extent of actually relieving the UK of the onerous task of making these choices (which seems fair, since the UK brought about the situation itself).
                      Last edited by Johan Banér; 29 Feb 20, 03:18.

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                      • Originally posted by E.D. Morel View Post

                        Unlikely any time in the next 20 years.

                        Northern Ireland is economically and socially generations behind Ireland and the gap is getting bigger. Despite the fact that Sinn Féin did well in the recent election here (or maybe because of it) there is little real appetite for the reality of a united Ireland.
                        The Good Friday Agreement requires a majority vote in both Northern Ireland and Ireland for reunification.
                        Well I heard that during the times of the troubles the economy was very bad in Belfast but now in the modern times more northern Irishman have motor vehicles and then they did in the 1980s. So what about the economic improvement of Northern Ireland since the times of the troubles what would you say to that?


                        As for the unification of northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland. What about the vision of the united Irishman under the leadership of the Protestant Wolfe Tone and the Catholic Father John Murphy ? Such a beautiful vision but why was it not followed by the Irish Catholics and Irish protestants of northern Ireland during the times of Bobby Sands? Surely you know the name Bobby sans the IRA militant turned hunger strike or who died for his beliefs in a united ireland. Well Sands had a Protestant father and he had protestant friends growing up playing soccer in Ireland in the 1960s...Something very bad tore apart the Irish protestants and Irish Catholics by the late 1960s northern Ireland. Do you think there will ever be another push among Irish protestants and Irish Catholics for a united Ireland as their was in 1798. Isn’t it amazing that the 1798 Irish rebellion saw Irish protestants and Irish Catholics fighting on the same side but that the troubles of the 1970s saw Irish Catholics fighting against Irish protestants. Although the ulster Protestant militias of the 1970s had some disagreements with the British gov. The British government would use their own military to assist the protestant Irish paramilitaries at times during the troubles but not all of the time
                        Long live the Lionheart! Please watch this video
                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=jRDwlR4zbEM
                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3DBaY0RsxU
                        Accept the challenges so that you can feel the exhilaration of victory.

                        George S Patton

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                        • Bobby Sands was in the IRA and supported their terrorist campaign. His father was Catholic.
                          Ireland has, thankfully, for the most part ditched the poison that is religion. Northern Ireland is still crippled by it. Their economy is still a basket case. There’s no shortage of cars (and we have electricity and plumbing and we don’t live in thatched cottages).
                          "The thing about quotes on the internet is that you cannot confirm their
                          validity." - Abraham Lincoln.
                          "Nothing's going to change while one side it lying about the cause and the other is lying about the solution" - Me

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                          • Originally posted by Johan Banér View Post
                            Exactly, the UK wants a lot of things, but the question is specifically what kind of relationship it actually wants with the EU after leaving.


                            I've pointed you in the direction enough times. There must be something wilful in your refusal to acknowledge it.
                            Perhaps you just can't get past your prejudices.

                            Anyway
                            "4. The vision for the UK’s future relationship with the EU has already been set out, successively, in the manifesto on the basis of which the Government won the 12 December 2019 General Election, and, subsequently, in the Prime Minister’s speech in Greenwich on 3 February and his written Ministerial statement on the same day.

                            5. It is a vision of a relationship based on friendly cooperation between sovereign equals, with both parties respecting one another’s legal autonomy and right to manage their own resources as they see fit. Whatever happens, the Government will not negotiate any arrangement in which the UK does not have control of its own laws and political life. That means that we will not agree to any obligations for our laws to be aligned with the EU's, or for the EU's institutions, including the Court of Justice, to have any jurisdiction in the UK.


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                            • Originally posted by Karri View Post

                              Yes, everything.
                              You've got it! The UK wants both a free trade deal and sovereignty.

                              If forced to choose, I expect the UK will choose sovereignty.

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                              • Originally posted by Gooner View Post

                                You've got it! The UK wants both a free trade deal and sovereignty.

                                If forced to choose, I expect the UK will choose sovereignty.
                                You do understand that a trade deal is a binding international legal agreement which would, by its nature, limit or restrict the UK in the context of that agreement, just as it would limit and restrict the EU? Saying that such restrictions are somehow a surrender of sovereignty is just wrong.
                                Childish hyperbole doesn’t add anything meaningful to the discussion.
                                "The thing about quotes on the internet is that you cannot confirm their
                                validity." - Abraham Lincoln.
                                "Nothing's going to change while one side it lying about the cause and the other is lying about the solution" - Me

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