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  • Originally posted by Vaeltaja View Post
    Not the ownership of the seas. The ownership-share of the UK's fishing quotas which the UK in a stroke of utter foolishness made into a tradeable commodity. And the UK can not just take it back since it was equated to a property. It has to be bought back. Otherwise the UK would be seizing and nationalizing foreign owned assets.
    You're doubling down on the fairytale.


    So that promises only lower value, increased costs - much lower profitability.
    Sure the EU can act in this petty, aggressive manner. The main loser will be the EU consumer,

    You seem to have forgotten that the great bulk of the fish taken from our seas are taken by EU fishermen.
    Whilst in future UK fishermen selling catch to the EU might have higher costs than EU fishermen would have had before them, it will still be new profit and new business.

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    • Originally posted by Snowygerry View Post

      And a great surplus of bankers and brokers in the city of London, tough choices will have to be made there
      Some surplus .. yes possibly.

      That's if the EU chooses to use blackmail to try to take another nations property.

      Must make you proud.

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      • Originally posted by Gooner View Post
        Must make you proud.
        I'm Belgian - "mildly amused" is as emotional we get in regard to international politics
        Lambert of Montaigu - Crusader.

        Bolgios - Mercenary Game.

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        • For those who like facts rather than fairytales, here's how foreign fishermen stole British fish from the UK's own 'quota'.
          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R_(Fac..._for_Transport


          Also the new Fisheries Bill currently going through Parliament.

          https://services.parliament.uk/bills...fisheries.html


          COMMON FISHERIES POLICY REGULATION: MINOR AND CONSEQUENTIAL AMENDMENTS
          1 The Common Fisheries Policy Regulation is amended as follows.
          2 Article 5 (right of equal access for EU fishing vessels to waters of member
          States) is revoked.
          3 Article 9 (principles and objectives of multiannual plans) is revoked.
          4 Article 10 (content of multiannual plans) is revoked.
          5 Article 16 (distribution of fishing opportunities by the Council to member
          States) is revoked.
          6 Annex I (right of equal access for EU fishing vessels to waters of member
          States) is revoked.

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          • Originally posted by Snowygerry View Post

            I'm Belgian - "mildly amused" is as emotional we get in regard to international politics
            Fair enough.

            I am a bit surprised why the EU is making such a big fuss of an issue in which it is clearly in the wrong.
            Even if, somehow, the UK can be forced into making big concessions on this it cannot lead to the close and enduring relationship the EU claims that it wants ...

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            • Originally posted by Gooner View Post

              You're doubling down on the fairytale.
              This is the problem with "taking back" the fish for the UK:

              https://crinaboros.tumblr.com/post/1...ns-squeeze-out

              Though certainly nationalization is always an option for any government. Bit radical though. Not friendly towards private enterprise at all, never mind free trade.

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              • Originally posted by Johan Banér View Post
                Though certainly nationalization is always an option for any government. Bit radical though. Not friendly towards private enterprise at all, never mind free trade.
                See previously supplied links https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R_(Fac..._for_Transport https://services.parliament.uk/bills...fisheries.html

                You do realise that the UK 'quota' of its own fish is only about 30% of the total?

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                • Originally posted by Gooner View Post

                  See previously supplied links https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R_(Fac..._for_Transport https://services.parliament.uk/bills...fisheries.html

                  You do realise that the UK 'quota' of its own fish is only about 30% of the total?
                  Ireland gets 16% of the fish in our waters. |Fishing was far less important than farming when we joined the EEC so we shafted the fishermen to get a better deal for the farmers. The UK probably did the same thing.
                  "The thing about quotes on the internet is that you cannot confirm their
                  validity." - Abraham Lincoln.
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                  • Originally posted by Gooner View Post
                    Fair enough.

                    I am a bit surprised why the EU is making such a big fuss….
                    *This* is not a big fuss, 1916 now that was a fuss

                    Lambert of Montaigu - Crusader.

                    Bolgios - Mercenary Game.

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                    • Originally posted by Gooner View Post
                      You're doubling down on the fairytale.
                      We will see.
                      Sure the EU can act in this petty, aggressive manner. The main loser will be the EU consumer,
                      It is not petty nor is it aggressive. The UK wants to be outside of the EU. That is what it means to be treated as a third country. That is what you want. That you may not like consequences is not my fault. And i doubt the EU consumer would be the loser. The UK is not the sole source for those fish. So it is unlikely that the consumer would bother paying more - they will just buy something else, from someone else, or just less. Which means that it would be UK fishermen who would end up footing the bill.
                      You seem to have forgotten that the great bulk of the fish taken from our seas are taken by EU fishermen.
                      No, i really have not. But causes for that are quite a bit more complex than what your simplistic viewpoint allows.
                      Whilst in future UK fishermen selling catch to the EU might have higher costs than EU fishermen would have had before them, it will still be new profit and new business.
                      Unlikely. For one fish do not respect borders. Second - increased costs mean decreased profitability and ever decreasing profit margin. If that goes - the industry goes. Keep in mind that the UK fishing industry is primarily exporting its catch - if access to that market becomes more costly it will hurt the fishermen.
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                      • Originally posted by Snowygerry View Post

                        *This* is not a big fuss, 1916 now that was a fuss
                        Or 1905.
                        Perhaps the russians can 'arbitrate' again.
                        or Das Herrenvolk....
                        The trout who swims against the current gets the most oxygen..

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                        • Originally posted by marktwain View Post
                          Or 1905.
                          In the "Rising Pub" Chelsea FC was founded, as was BC Boca Juniors in a bodega unknown, in their first game ever, Holland beat Belgium 1 - 4, in Antwerp….

                          You see, we keep different timelines here, of the really important things

                          https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/1905
                          Lambert of Montaigu - Crusader.

                          Bolgios - Mercenary Game.

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                          • Originally posted by Snowygerry View Post

                            In the "Rising Pub" Chelsea FC was founded, as was BC Boca Juniors in a bodega unknown, in their first game ever, Holland beat Belgium 1 - 4, in Antwerp….

                            You see, we keep different timelines here, of the really important things

                            https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/1905
                            That is a good point The KMG Volkstrumm looks like a one way cruise to the dime store Valhalla.
                            The trout who swims against the current gets the most oxygen..

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                            • Originally posted by E.D. Morel View Post

                              Ireland gets 16% of the fish in our waters. |Fishing was far less important than farming when we joined the EEC so we shafted the fishermen to get a better deal for the farmers. The UK probably did the same thing.
                              I think Irish fishermen got compensated by getting a nice chunk of UK waters

                              Whilst UK farmers do seem to have done well out of EEC membership, that money has come out of the pockets of other UK taxpayers.

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                              • Anyway the UK has published its approach for an agreement https://www.gov.uk/government/public...ip-with-the-eu

                                "
                                The document sets out our approach to our Future Relationship with the European Union.

                                Our approach lays out our suite of proposals with the EU. The main element is the comprehensive Free Trade Agreement, or FTA, covering substantially all trade. We have also proposed a separate agreement on fisheries that will take back control of our waters, as is our right as an independent coastal state; an agreement on law enforcement and judicial cooperation in criminal matters to help protect the public and bring criminals to justice; and agreements in technical areas covering aviation, energy and civil nuclear cooperation which will help ensure continuity for the UK on its new footing as an independent sovereign nation.

                                We are seeking the type of agreement which the EU has already concluded in recent years with Canada and other friendly countries. Our proposal draws on previous EU agreements such as the Comprehensive Economic Trade Agreement, the EU/Japan Economic Partnership Agreement and the EU/South Korea Free Trade Agreement. And it is consistent with the Political Declaration agreed last October, in which both sides set the aim of concluding a ‘zero tariffs, zero quotas’ Free Trade Agreement.

                                Our approach is based on friendly cooperation between sovereign equals. Our offer outlined today represents our clear and unwavering view that the UK will always have control of its own laws, political life and rules. Instead, both parties will respect each other’s legal autonomy and the right to manage its own borders, immigration policy and taxes.

                                We believe that our approach and proposals are fair and reasonable. This Government is committed to establishing the future relationship in ways that benefit the whole of the UK and strengthen the Union."



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