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  • Originally posted by Half Pint John View Post
    In this case English laws doesn't mean fiddle and relating the EU to some gentlemens club doesn't float.
    I think you'll find that after Britain leaves the EU, British courts become supreme again in this land

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    • Originally posted by Gooner View Post

      I think you'll find that after Britain leaves the EU, British courts become supreme again in this land
      And that is what frightens the EU bureaucrats: that this dangerous idea of national sovereignty will spread.

      This is very much like when the USA was born and monarchs across Europe grew uneasy at the idea of a nation without a hereditary ruler.
      Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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      • Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post

        Because the UK is one of the healthier economies in Europe.
        Not anymore. It used to be. Now that is has put Brexit on the schedule it has dropped to the bottom of the economic slow-growers in the EU. It's one of these differences that membership and non-membership in the EU tends to make.

        The EU has been VERY good for the UK. When it joined it was even the poorest member of the then EEC.

        But, as a consequence of decades of British foreigner-baiting, while doing well by the association with said foreigners, the UK will now cut off its hands, feet, privates and brain in an act of supreme self-immolation, just to show these dastardly foreigners. (It's like someone put it: The Brexiters' justifications for it all are fascinatingly horrible, like a friend about to disembowel himself while loudly proclaiming the operation will give him superpowers.)

        It's roughly what that Shibboleth of "sovereignity" that's been bandied about here amounts to.

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        • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...PP)_per_capita

          http://statisticstimes.com/economy/e...ies-by-gdp.php
          "Ask not what your country can do for you"

          Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

          you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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          • What's all the talk about the EU budget about? It's only about 2% of the EU's GDP.
            If that's the main reason some people voted for Brexit then they should realise that it's a really stupid justification, although it is better than most of the other nonsensical jingoistic clap-trap that most of the little-englanders come out with.
            "The thing about quotes on the internet is that you cannot confirm their
            validity." - Abraham Lincoln.
            "Nothing's going to change while one side it lying about the cause and the other is lying about the solution" - Me

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            • Given that Ireland gets a large hand out from EU tax payers, unsurprising that you support it.
              "To be free is better than to be unfree - always."

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              • Originally posted by Surrey View Post
                Given that Ireland gets a large hand out from EU tax payers, unsurprising that you support it.
                We are net contributors to the EU budget. Like all members we have free access to the biggest consumer market in the world as well as the other benefits of membership which far outweigh the costs.

                We also have some stupid people who can't see beyond whether we are net contributors or beneficiaries but thankfully they are a smaller proportion of our population than they are of yours.
                "The thing about quotes on the internet is that you cannot confirm their
                validity." - Abraham Lincoln.
                "Nothing's going to change while one side it lying about the cause and the other is lying about the solution" - Me

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                • Originally posted by Johan Banér View Post
                  The EU has been VERY good for the UK. When it joined it was even the poorest member of the then EEC.
                  Real UK GDP growth 1946-1973 - 3.24%
                  Real UK GDP growth 1974-2017 - 2.16%

                  And since when the UK joined it was the poorest member why was it also a net contributor?

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                  • Originally posted by Surrey View Post

                    One thing to subsidise other parts of Britain, completely different to give net £10bn in handouts to French farmers, the Mafia and East Europe.
                    But it is ok to flood Northern Ireland with a subsidy so as to keep May in power?
                    That sort of 'corruption is ok?

                    The UK has its own well established system of corrupt handouts by the way
                    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renewa...entive_scandal

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                    • Originally posted by Gooner View Post

                      Real UK GDP growth 1946-1973 - 3.24%
                      Real UK GDP growth 1974-2017 - 2.16%

                      And since when the UK joined it was the poorest member why was it also a net contributor?
                      Those figures mean nothing really, except demonstrating that the UK economy wasn't in actual recession at the time, which wasn't its problem anyway, and no one has claimed it was. (The good faith interpretation is that you weren't aware of the difference; the alternative is that you are intentionally trying to muddy the waters).

                      The problem for the UK after WWII about economic growth was that continental Europe was racing away from it, and fast. The UK started out about 50% ahead in 1945, only to have lost that relative advantage by the time it joined the EEC. The continentals grew more faster.

                      And it became a net contributor because it stopped being the poorest member. All the rebate it received when joining in the first place was based on the relative non-performance of the UK economy at the time it retained however, and did its level best to expand, even when it was no longer the poor relation.

                      I.e. the UK was always the most favoured member of the EU, though god forbid it would ever accept the fact. And EU membership has been VERY good for the UK.

                      Which is why the rest of the world looks at the UK as if it has just possibly gone mad.

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                      • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post

                        I didn't specify a source, and you are trolling in response to a thread hijack by von Richter. And this is why discussions never go anywhere on this forum.
                        Pay the ransom and I'll give it back!


                        The long toll of the brave
                        Is not lost in darkness
                        Over the fruitful earth
                        And athwart the seas
                        Hath passed the light of noble deeds
                        Unquenchable forever.

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                        • Originally posted by m kenny View Post

                          But it is ok to flood Northern Ireland with a subsidy so as to keep May in power?
                          That sort of 'corruption is ok?

                          The UK has its own well established system of corrupt handouts by the way
                          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renewa...entive_scandal
                          To keep that Marxist bigot out of number 10? Cheap at the price.
                          "To be free is better than to be unfree - always."

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                          • Originally posted by Johan Banér View Post
                            Those figures mean nothing really, except demonstrating that the UK economy wasn't in actual recession at the time, which wasn't its problem anyway, and no one has claimed it was. (The good faith interpretation is that you weren't aware of the difference; the alternative is that you are intentionally trying to muddy the waters).
                            Putting flesh on the bones of your, err, narrative history. If you want to prove that somehow the UK would have grown less by staying out of the EEC/EU I think you'll have a job on your hands.
                            As it was the Labour government going cap-in-hand to the IMF and the Winter of Discontent only happened after the UK had joined the EEC.

                            The problem for the UK after WWII about economic growth was that continental Europe was racing away from it, and fast. The UK started out about 50% ahead in 1945, only to have lost that relative advantage by the time it joined the EEC. The continentals grew more faster.
                            Yes, and there were lots of reasons for that. Unfortunately joining the EEC seemed a solution to some.

                            And it became a net contributor because it stopped being the poorest member. All the rebate it received when joining in the first place was based on the relative non-performance of the UK economy at the time it retained however, and did its level best to expand, even when it was no longer the poor relation.
                            .
                            Uh, the UK appears to have been a (small) beneficiary only in 1975. EU_budget_transactions_historical.png

                            Are you surprised that a lot of British people felt they were getting shafted by the EEC?

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                            • Originally posted by Johan Banér View Post
                              Those figures mean nothing really, except demonstrating that the UK economy wasn't in actual recession at the time, which wasn't its problem anyway, and no one has claimed it was. (The good faith interpretation is that you weren't aware of the difference; the alternative is that you are intentionally trying to muddy the waters).

                              The problem for the UK after WWII about economic growth was that continental Europe was racing away from it, and fast. The UK started out about 50% ahead in 1945, only to have lost that relative advantage by the time it joined the EEC. The continentals grew more faster.

                              And it became a net contributor because it stopped being the poorest member. All the rebate it received when joining in the first place was based on the relative non-performance of the UK economy at the time it retained however, and did its level best to expand, even when it was no longer the poor relation.

                              I.e. the UK was always the most favoured member of the EU, though god forbid it would ever accept the fact. And EU membership has been VERY good for the UK.

                              Which is why the rest of the world looks at the UK as if it has just possibly gone mad.
                              After the war the European countries were starting from a very low base. As they recovered their year on year growth rates were always going to be high.
                              The problems with the UK pre joining were caused by the UK itself, ever heard of British Leyland?
                              "To be free is better than to be unfree - always."

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                              • Originally posted by Surrey View Post
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                                The problems with the UK pre joining were caused by the UK itself, ever heard of British Leyland?
                                Indeed. Once Rover was rescued from the clutches of the Communist Unions it was taken over by Capitalists who made it into a very successful and profitable firm..........ooopps I mean they looted the company for their personal benefit and let it go bust and make 6,000 directly unemployed with a further 25,000 in the supply chain. All this whilst they made themselves multi-millionaires with the money they stole from the workers..
                                Cant beat The Market can you?

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