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  • Originally posted by Surrey View Post
    Again the view that ordinary people are simple minded and too stupid to vote.
    Hmm - letting your children vote on what's for dinner maybe a good idea once in a while, but if you do it every evening you'll be eating pancakes for the rest of your life

    Voting is good, but you should pick the time and question carefully…, that's where Brexit went wrong from the start imho.
    Major Atticus Finch - ACW Rainbow Game.

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    • Originally posted by Vaeltaja View Post
      It is not a fantasy. The reason is there are more actors in that market so it can not per definition be considered closed.
      Most of your posts are complete fantasy. After Brexit, and especially with a No-Deal Brexit, there will be less suppliers of fish to the market, not more.

      However it is merely your belief that demand will fall as fast as supply, thus lowering profit margins.
      Far more likely prices to rise by more than tariff increase and British fishermen supply more fish to the market, meaning a win-win.

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      • Originally posted by Snowygerry View Post
        Voting is good, but you should pick the time and question carefully
        Starting with
        Shall the UK join the EEC?
        Shall the UK sign the Maastricht Treaty?
        Shall the UK sign the Lisbon Treaty?

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        • Originally posted by Gooner View Post

          Starting with
          Shall the UK join the EEC?
          Shall the UK sign the Maastricht Treaty?
          Shall the UK sign the Lisbon Treaty?
          Thats what we have an elected parliament for
          Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe (H G Wells)
          Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens (Friedrich von Schiller)

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          • Originally posted by MarkV View Post

            Thats what we have an elected parliament for
            When ALL the parties in Parliament are/were in favour of the EEC a vast (if not the largest) part of the electorate did not have their views represented.

            Besides if the public did get to vote on the above our relationship to the EU would have been in a happier place than now.

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            • Government to ask Queen to suspend Parliament.:

              "It's being reported that Boris is set to prorogue parliament from 11th September, thereby preventing MPs from being able to table a vote of no confidence before the Brexit deadline. The move, which is certain to infuriate Remain MPs, will be difficult to challenge in court as it is standard practice for the purpose of a bog standard new Queen’s Speech. A new Queen's Speech will be scheduled for 14th October, when Parliament will return with no time to stop No Deal

              The move, agreed to in secret, was set to be unveiled at this afternoon's Privy Council meeting, where three privy councillors (led by Jacob Rees Mogg) will ask the Queen for a prorogation in council for 9th September."

              https://order-order.com/

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              • Originally posted by E.D. Morel View Post

                Most of the fish were in fact born outside the UK territorial waters and as such are illegals. They will have to leave in October, reducing the Uk's total fish stock.
                WE found in Canada that politicizing the fish stocks was a huge mistake. Now the bears are demanding the vote, and trade unions.

                Take cod, for an example...the grand banks cod have a 'group culture'- schools of smaller cod follow the larger, older cod out to feed on incoming capelin and snow crab stocks, to fatten up before spawning. then they spawn in great open water collumns.

                Europe's cod appear to be more highly political, which, IMHO, takes way energy from 'doing what comes naturally...."
                The trout who swims against the current gets the most oxygen..

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                • Originally posted by Gooner View Post
                  Most of your posts are complete fantasy. After Brexit, and especially with a No-Deal Brexit, there will be less suppliers of fish to the market, not more.
                  How do you figure that? The number of potential suppliers is likely to stay the same, just that the UK suppliers may not remain economically viable.
                  However it is merely your belief that demand will fall as fast as supply, thus lowering profit margins.
                  Far more likely prices to rise by more than tariff increase and British fishermen supply more fish to the market, meaning a win-win.
                  Because there is the magic money tree from which all the money comes from...

                  Realistically the increase in cost will either reduce the sales of the UK fish or alternatively reduce the profit margins of the UK fishermen. That is just how it goes and that is what you wanted when you stated that you wanted to leave the EU. You could not have realistically thought that you would end up having full access to the Single Market after leaving the Single Market.
                  It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion, it is by the beans of Java that thoughts acquire speed. The hands acquire shaking, the shaking becomes a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion

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                  • Originally posted by Vaeltaja View Post
                    How do you figure that? The number of potential suppliers is likely to stay the same, just that the UK suppliers may not remain economically viable.
                    Blimey how dense can you be? :headbang:

                    The number of potential suppliers drops because they won't be allowed to fish British seas (or fish so much).

                    Basic supply and demand.

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                    • Originally posted by the ace View Post

                      Was that where they gave the contract to a company with no ferries ?
                      the company planned a fast shopping trip in British Columbia....
                      The trout who swims against the current gets the most oxygen..

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                      • Originally posted by Gooner View Post
                        Starting with
                        Shall the UK join the EEC?
                        Shall the UK sign the Maastricht Treaty?
                        Shall the UK sign the Lisbon Treaty?
                        All of them would have been good.

                        I'd add another,

                        Shall the UK accept the current withdrawal agreement, have a Norway type settlement, or a Swiss one, rather have a no-deal exit maybe, or remain in the EU altogether.

                        But a "free end" referendum like the one you had, only created more domestic problems, rather then solve any of them.

                        In addition there was no reason have one when you did, other than Cameron's idiotic gamble.

                        We once had a similar situation here, in the end the result of the ref. was ignored and an "alternative solution" was found.

                        Either that or the nation state would have been torn apart.

                        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Question

                        Democracy is a tricky play, only to be used with caution
                        Major Atticus Finch - ACW Rainbow Game.

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                        • Originally posted by Gooner View Post
                          The number of potential suppliers drops because they won't be allowed to fish British seas (or fish so much).
                          Until the markets adjust - which they inevitably would. And quite swiftly. That is (in a sense) what being in the free market is all about. Regardless the increase in market price would not help the UK fishermen but would actually increase profitability of the EU (and Norwegian & Icelandic) fish in the EU markets. Which is the reason why i said the primary beneficiaries would be the Icelandic & Norwegian fishermen.

                          The main problem with the UK fishing industry has never been the EU or even the CFP but UK's own policies towards selling off their quotas (which BTW might easily continue even after the Brexit) and how the UK has seen fit to distribute its own quotas (system which is not influenced by the EU but handled by the UK even now).
                          Basic supply and demand.
                          Except it works the other way around as well. Since despite of your beliefs the fishing is not a closed market. Which means the cost increase in the UK fish will translate into lower profitability in the UK fish industry. Which means either lower profits or less fishermen. If you imagine that the average consumer in the EU would pay premium just to make the UK fish industry survive you will be sorely disappointed. It may take a bit for the markets to adjust but other parties will be ready and eager take the share of market previously handled by the UK since after Brexit that share is no longer protected or beneficiary of the Single Market.

                          You do understand that after leaving the EU the UK will be competing against all competitors while those already in the EU Single Market will benefit from the protective tariffs and non-tariff barriers (it is after all one of the reasons they are there for). Ironically the increase in the cost of fish is more likely to benefit the EU fishermen far more than the UK fishermen since if the market price of the fish would increase then the profit margin for the EU fishermen will increase alongside that - for the UK fishermen it is not the same since they have to deal with tariffs and non-tariff barriers as well which is more than likely to offset any increase in cost.

                          Have you ever stopped for a moment and wondered why the Norwegians have that fishing agreement with the EU? If anything that you wrote were true then they would benefit far more from not having that deal in place. Yet they do. Does it mean that Norwegians do not know what they are doing or that you do not know what you are saying?
                          It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion, it is by the beans of Java that thoughts acquire speed. The hands acquire shaking, the shaking becomes a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion

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                          • Originally posted by Gooner View Post
                            Government to ask Queen to suspend Parliament.:
                            Good luck with that, a Queen "suspending" a parliament is something we haven't seen in Europe for a while,

                            but it was always great fun when it happened
                            Major Atticus Finch - ACW Rainbow Game.

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                            • Originally posted by Gooner View Post
                              Government to ask Queen to suspend Parliament.:

                              "It's being reported that Boris is set to prorogue parliament from 11th September, thereby preventing MPs from being able to table a vote of no confidence before the Brexit deadline. The move, which is certain to infuriate Remain MPs, will be difficult to challenge in court as it is standard practice for the purpose of a bog standard new Queen’s Speech. A new Queen's Speech will be scheduled for 14th October, when Parliament will return with no time to stop No Deal

                              The move, agreed to in secret, was set to be unveiled at this afternoon's Privy Council meeting, where three privy councillors (led by Jacob Rees Mogg) will ask the Queen for a prorogation in council for 9th September."

                              https://order-order.com/
                              When was the last time a reigning British monarch prorogued Parliament?

                              Doesn't the Queen's Speech to Parliament normally take place in the spring?
                              I was married for two ******* years! Hell would be like Club Med! - Sam Kinison

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                              • 1708 apparently.
                                Major Atticus Finch - ACW Rainbow Game.

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