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  • MonsterZero
    started a topic Treason in Helsinki

    Treason in Helsinki

    What happened in Helsinki was treason. The American president has a duty to stand behind his employees and government workers, he has a duty to back them 100%, especially in front of foreign officials from a hostile country. The US president can't throw his own people under the bus to please and entertain the Russian sociopath. Shame on you Mr. President. Hope Mr. Putin was gracious enough to give an autograph to his little fanboy Donald Trump.|
    Last edited by MonsterZero; 21 Jul 18, 18:11.

  • slick_miester
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    ^ Still hasn't answered the question . . . .Mods, can we get the iggy function working again. This clown is nothing but a troll right down to his marrow.

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  • Konzev
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    You are humiliating yourself.

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  • slick_miester
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    Just answer the question: did you think that the Geo Bush who had been DCI in the '70s was the same Pres Bush who ordered Iraq invaded in 2003?

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  • Konzev
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    Originally posted by slick_miester View Post
    Yet another dodge....
    Sure,

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  • slick_miester
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    Yet another dodge....

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  • Konzev
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    If you point out to me, where I did that.

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  • slick_miester
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    Originally posted by Konzev View Post
    Roll your eyes, Rimshot.
    Why don't you just answer the question: have you conflated the career of George HW Bush with that of his son? Keep your answer to a simple "yes" or "no." Thank you.

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  • ljadw
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    Originally posted by Cult Icon View Post



    The Alt-Right , which you are ignorant of, likes Russia/Putin for its cultural aspects and perceived toughness. .
    And why should that be wrong ?

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  • Konzev
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    Roll your eyes, Rimshot.

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  • slick_miester
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    ^ Are you conflating the acts of the son with his father?

    Schmuck

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  • Konzev
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    Originally posted by slick_miester View Post

    His name is George Herbert Walker Bush, and he was not a career CIA officer: he was appointed Director of Central Intelligence in 1976 by then-Pres Gerald Ford, and served for twelve months. Ford's interest in Bush wasn't his experience within the intelligence community -- Bush had none prior to his appointment -- but Bush's contacts within the Congress, the backdrop being the Church Committee hearings of the 1970s.

    https://www.cia.gov/news-information...elligence.html
    How lame and naive, relying on a Government source, when in reality it was more like that:

    "Bush's four reasons for the invasion provided sufficient justification to establish bipartisan Congressional approval and support for the invasion. However, the secrecy before initiation, the speed and success of the invasion itself, and U.S. public support for it (80% public approval)[25] did not allow Democrats to object to Bush's decision to use military force.[25] One contemporary study suggests that Bush decided to invade for domestic political reasons, citing scarce strategic reasoning for the U.S. to invade and immediately withdraw without establishing the structure to enforce the interests that Bush used to justify the invasion.[25]

    Originally posted by slick_miester View Post

    Compare that to Vladimir Putin, who was commissioned a Jr Lieutenant of the KGB in 1975, rose through the ranks to the level of Colonel, and left the "Committee" when the Soviet Union was dissolved in 1991. Of Vladimir Putin or Geo HW Bush, which of the two can be accurately described as a "career intelligence officer," and which can not?
    If that's Vlad's crime, keep in mind that he did not invade other countries, George H Bush had no such scrupel's.

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    Originally posted by slick_miester View Post
    Who? The alt-right, or today's Democratic opposition, which not too awful long ago were viewed as "useful idiots" by the old guys ensconced in in the Lubyanka?
    You may blame your Main Street Media for that.




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  • slick_miester
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    Originally posted by Konzev View Post
    Please remind me, of what George Herbert Bush's job description was as a Director of the CIA ?
    His name is George Herbert Walker Bush, and he was not a career CIA officer: he was appointed Director of Central Intelligence in 1976 by then-Pres Gerald Ford, and served for twelve months. Ford's interest in Bush wasn't his experience within the intelligence community -- Bush had none prior to his appointment -- but Bush's contacts within the Congress, the backdrop being the Church Committee hearings of the 1970s.

    https://www.cia.gov/news-information...elligence.html

    Compare that to Vladimir Putin, who was commissioned a Jr Lieutenant of the KGB in 1975, rose through the ranks to the level of Colonel, and left the "Committee" when the Soviet Union was dissolved in 1991. Of Vladimir Putin or Geo HW Bush, which of the two can be accurately described as a "career intelligence officer," and which can not?


    Originally posted by Konzev View Post
    So [active measures were] done before Putin ?
    Before Putin, during Putin, after Putin . . . .

    Originally posted by Konzev View Post
    Please remind me how the US meddled in South America and Africa.
    Within the context of the post to which I was replying, your observation is irrelevant: I was noting that the causes advanced by the KGB during the Cold War were exactly the causes feared and loathed by the milieu described as "alt-right." At no point has the alt-right ever advocating on behalf of brown-skinned people trying to fight off American imperialism -- but Putin and his employers were, hence my confusion at how the alt-right can look favorably on Putin today.

    But thanks for the time-wasting non-sequitur.

    Originally posted by Konzev View Post
    And now they scream impeachment, when Trump tries to normalize relations to Russia.
    Who? The alt-right, or today's Democratic opposition, which not too awful long ago were viewed as "useful idiots" by the old guys ensconced in in the Lubyanka?

    Originally posted by Konzev View Post
    He's right, you should really brush up your knowledge before posting nonsense. Save us a lot of time to keep correcting you.
    Pray tell, oh omniscient one, what did I get wrong?

    On second thought, I don't care. You're not a debating foil, merely a time-bandit. Auf wiedersehen.

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  • Emtos
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    Originally posted by Cult Icon View Post

    helpful in what and why in your opinion?

    Trump is "educated" by alt right sources and ideologues. Remember Bannon and Flynn?

    The Alt Right POV is that Western civilization is degenerating and only Russia isn't. Trump's viewpoint on NATO is inline with the alt right.
    Helpful with Iran in Syria. Helpful with NATO. Helpful with China.

    Trump like to talk about being a "deal-maker". Putin is exactly a person with who you can make a deal. He demonstrated it in multiple occasions and he is someone very predictible to deal with.

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  • Konzev
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    Originally posted by slick_miester View Post

    One of Putin's duties as a KGB colonel was to foment dissent and subversion in Western countries.
    Please remind me, of what George Herbert Bush's job description was as a Director of the CIA ?

    Originally posted by slick_miester View Post

    For decades COMINTERN, GPU, NKVD, KGB, engaged in "active measures": propaganda campaigns, utilizing friendly Western outlets, to disseminate material to Western populations, for the purpose of destabilizing their governments.
    So it was done before Putin ?


    Originally posted by slick_miester View Post
    Towards that end Soviet propaganda advanced the causes of numerous post-colonial polities, nationalistic movements, oppressed minorities,
    Please remind me how the US meddled in South America and Africa.

    Originally posted by slick_miester View Post
    et al: exactly the kinds of people that the alt-right claims to hate. For example, the anti-Vietnam War protests attended by Bill and Hillary Clinton during his time at Oxford University likely were "active measures" clandestinely organized by KGB agents. What's in there for the alt-right to like?
    And now they scream impeachment, when Trump tries to normalize relations to Russia.

    Originally posted by slick_miester View Post
    "WW2" you say? Before WW2, after WW2, the Cold War: these activities go far beyond WW2, to the point that your quip constitutes a non-sequitur. This has nothing to do with ideology. It has everything to do with KGB activities on behalf of those that the alt-right view as untermenschen in their efforts to undermine, subvert, and weaken a White-Anglo-Saxon-Protestant United States. What about any of that is there for any kind of "rightist" -- alt or otherwise -- to approve of? If these alt-right types can find any common ground with a Putin, it can only be because they've fallen for his self-produced press-clippings depicting him as a strong man, as a guy who can score eight goals against NHL opposition. In short, the alt-right is bereft not only of ideology and and historicity, they're just flat-out chumps. On a sliding scale of things, the alt-right's dumber than Klansmen.
    He's right, you should really brush up your knowledge before posting nonsense. Save us a lot of time to keep correcting you.

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