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    The pundits said it would be a close vote - too close to call but it wasn't. Surprisingly one sided. No comment from the Church which had backed the No vote. There must be a feeling of ebbing power and influence there. Will this affect NI where both traditions appear to be singing from the same hymn sheet on this issue?

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-44265492
    Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe (H G Wells)
    Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens (Friedrich von Schiller)

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    Originally posted by MarkV View Post
    The pundits said it would be a close vote - too close to call but it wasn't. Surprisingly one sided. No comment from the Church which had backed the No vote. There must be a feeling of ebbing power and influence there. Will this affect NI where both traditions appear to be singing from the same hymn sheet on this issue?

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-44265492
    Exactly what type of comment from the Church concerning the killing of unborn innocents were you expecting?

    "It's like shooting rats in a barrel."
    "You'll be in a barrel if you don't watch out for the fighters!"

    "Talking about airplanes is a very pleasant mental disease."
    Sergei(son of Igor) Sikorsky, 'AOPA Pilot' magazine February 2003.

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    • #3
      Good for Ireland.
      There are no Nazis in Ukraine. Idiots

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Emtos View Post
        Good for Ireland.
        Bad for unborn innocent lives.

        "It's like shooting rats in a barrel."
        "You'll be in a barrel if you don't watch out for the fighters!"

        "Talking about airplanes is a very pleasant mental disease."
        Sergei(son of Igor) Sikorsky, 'AOPA Pilot' magazine February 2003.

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        • #5
          There is no lives if they aren't born. Nor the word "innocent" has any meaning.
          There are no Nazis in Ukraine. Idiots

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Emtos View Post
            There is no lives if they aren't born. Nor the word "innocent" has any meaning.
            They have a beating heart and a brain.....and most importantly a soul from the instant of conception.
            "It's like shooting rats in a barrel."
            "You'll be in a barrel if you don't watch out for the fighters!"

            "Talking about airplanes is a very pleasant mental disease."
            Sergei(son of Igor) Sikorsky, 'AOPA Pilot' magazine February 2003.

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            • #7
              There is no scientific proofs about the existence of a soal. Heart and brain doesn't make it a viable person.
              There are no Nazis in Ukraine. Idiots

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Emtos View Post
                There is no scientific proofs about the existence of a soal. Heart and brain doesn't make it a viable person.
                Your own post has just confirmed that regarding yourself.

                Thank you.

                "It's like shooting rats in a barrel."
                "You'll be in a barrel if you don't watch out for the fighters!"

                "Talking about airplanes is a very pleasant mental disease."
                Sergei(son of Igor) Sikorsky, 'AOPA Pilot' magazine February 2003.

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                • #9
                  A personal attack was expected. After all when a person talks about "souls", what else can happen ?
                  There are no Nazis in Ukraine. Idiots

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                  • #10
                    What about the mother interviewed the other day who was diagnosed with a baby that would die during pregnancy or immediately after birth? She had to go to hospital every week until the baby finally died, and only then they helped her.
                    What about the girl who got pregnant due to being raped? "Carry on girl, eventually you will learn to love your baby"?
                    How easy it is to judge and tell other people how they should live their lives.
                    "For once you have tasted flight you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards, for there you have been and there you will long to return"

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                    • #11
                      Well done Ireland, the less influence from the church the better.
                      "In modern war... you will die like a dog for no good reason."
                      Ernest Hemingway.
                      “The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.”

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by At ease View Post

                        Exactly what type of comment from the Church concerning the killing of unborn innocents were you expecting?
                        I didn't expect anything exactly but silence smacks of at best denial at worst cowardice, but still probably better than knee jerk arrogance.
                        Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe (H G Wells)
                        Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens (Friedrich von Schiller)

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Achtung Baby View Post
                          Well done Ireland, the less influence from the church the better.
                          Quite. The people of Ireland have spoken in the most emphatic way. The Catholic Church in Ireland has nobody but itself to blame for the collapse in its reputation & influence. From sexual abuse to the horror stories of the Magdelene laundries and just the straight out hypocrisy of the clergy the Church has thrown away what once seemed an unassailable position in Irish society.

                          The people of Ireland have worked out that they can make decisions for themselves. Don't see than genie being put back in the bottle.
                          Human beings are the only creatures on Earth that claim a god and the only living thing that behaves like it hasn't got one - Hunter S. Thompson

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Emtos View Post
                            There is no scientific proofs about the existence of a soal. Heart and brain doesn't make it a viable person.
                            Unborn infants demonstrate consciousness of their surroundings. "They aren't alive" is pseudoscience. By the end of the second trimester they can interact with their surrounding and demonstrate cognitive awareness. Regardless of your opinions of the soul they are, by medical and scientific standards, living and aware. You could argue against their being conscious and otherwise vegetative during the first trimester which is where I will give a measure of tolerance for abortion but make no mistake by trimester three that is a functioning human being in utero complete with working central nervous system.

                            The thing that really creeped me out over the vote was how.....joyful the crowd was when it passed. When they heard that the bill passed the crowd reacted like it was spring break. There was a kind of demented cheerfulness for such a grim issue. Abortion is AT BEST a grim neccessity. It's an emotionally straining decision for the mother and even when done for reasons like rape or medical neccessity it takes quite an emotional toll and those Irish were cheering it like a free booze mandate. I've never seen that much joy over something that somber. Even the pro choice people I know don't show that level of lunatic glee. There was just something.....dirty about that. Even if you believe it's a neccessary thing, it's never something to be happy about. Even when terminating a pregnancy before the infant is conscious and interactive it can be a hard thing.
                            Last edited by Pirateship1982; 27 May 18, 13:55.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Pirateship1982 View Post

                              Unborn infants demonstrate consciousness of their surroundings. "They aren't alive" is pseudoscience.
                              The concept of soul is pseudoscience, or philosophy at best.
                              Wisdom is personal

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