Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

France approves tough new anti-terror laws

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • France approves tough new anti-terror laws

    France's lower house of parliament has approved a new anti-terrorism law intended to bring an end to a nearly two-year-long state of emergency.

    The law will incorporate several measures first authorised under the emergency arrangement.

    They include easier searches of homes and confining individuals to their home towns, without judicial approval.

    Most people in France approve of the move, but it has been criticised by rights groups.

    A state of emergency was first introduced after the attacks of 13 November 2015, when militants from so-called Islamic State (IS) killed 130 people in gun and bomb attacks in Paris.
    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-41493707

  • #2
    Seems fairly sensible stuff, though it falls into the common category of tactical, police / legal measures. It is not something that considers the root cause and articulates a broader strategy.

    A cynic might say it is a politicians ploy to drop the State of Emergency.
    Ne Obliviscaris, Sans Peur

    Comment


    • #3
      Originally posted by Escape2Victory View Post

      A cynic might say it is a politicians ploy to drop the State of Emergency.
      A realist might say this ;I expected this the evening Macron became president .

      Comment


      • #4
        So the French people as a whole will give up their freedoms for a bunch of violent Muslims that contribute NOTHING to the country. Boy, does that make sense? It sounds like the french again are caving into the demands of terrorists. Way to go France.
        My worst jump story:
        My 13th jump was on the 13th day of the month, aircraft number 013.
        As recorded on my DA Form 1307 Individual Jump Log.
        No lie.

        ~
        "Everything looks all right. Have a good jump, eh."
        -2 Commando Jumpmaster

        Comment


        • #5
          Works fine with me.
          Pay my taxes ,respect my neighbors , help the aged , respect the police .
          Just like any law abiding US citizen

          Big state won't look into my basement for a Kalash .
          The fact that the gov is able to make the bastards life harder than before makes my day.

          Next step : the closing of all the boyfans sites on the net.
          That rug really tied the room together

          Comment


          • #6
            Being a slave to government can be an easy life.
            My worst jump story:
            My 13th jump was on the 13th day of the month, aircraft number 013.
            As recorded on my DA Form 1307 Individual Jump Log.
            No lie.

            ~
            "Everything looks all right. Have a good jump, eh."
            -2 Commando Jumpmaster

            Comment


            • #7
              Originally posted by 101combatvet View Post
              So the French people as a whole will give up their freedoms for a bunch of violent Muslims that contribute NOTHING to the country. Boy, does that make sense? It sounds like the french again are caving into the demands of terrorists. Way to go France.
              Well, as Macron said that France was co-responsible for terrorism, ...

              After the mass-murders of november 13 2015 , he said that France had a "share of responsibility" in the "soil which Jihadism thrives " .

              This is the same as if the chief rabbi of Germany would say after the Kristallnacht that the Jews were co-responsible .

              And, not to be outdone by Obama, he also said that terrorism was linked to climate-change .

              Comment


              • #8
                Good news: state of emergency is coming to an end
                Bad news: state of emergency is being codified into law

                Comment


                • #9
                  So Macron gets placed on my list of assholes next to Obama. Noted!

                  Originally posted by ljadw View Post
                  Well, as Macron said that France was co-responsible for terrorism, ...

                  After the mass-murders of november 13 2015 , he said that France had a "share of responsibility" in the "soil which Jihadism thrives " .

                  This is the same as if the chief rabbi of Germany would say after the Kristallnacht that the Jews were co-responsible .

                  And, not to be outdone by Obama, he also said that terrorism was linked to climate-change .
                  My worst jump story:
                  My 13th jump was on the 13th day of the month, aircraft number 013.
                  As recorded on my DA Form 1307 Individual Jump Log.
                  No lie.

                  ~
                  "Everything looks all right. Have a good jump, eh."
                  -2 Commando Jumpmaster

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    101 , do you really believe that you're living in a different reality that the one I daily experiment?
                    If yes , good for you.
                    That rug really tied the room together

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      Originally posted by sebfrench76 View Post
                      Works fine with me.
                      Pay my taxes ,respect my neighbors , help the aged , respect the police .
                      Just like any law abiding US citizen

                      Big state won't look into my basement for a Kalash .
                      The fact that the gov is able to make the bastards life harder than before makes my day.

                      Next step : the closing of all the boyfans sites on the net.
                      All joking aside, were I a French citizen, this new law would cause me genuine worry. As seen with the example of the 1996 Telecommunications Act, once a government's powers are increased, not only is it near impossible to roll back that increase, but that initial increase tends to lead to yet more increases in the state's intrusive powers. You have to remember that a government's currency isn't money, it's power. The powers granted in this new law are not meant to sit upon a shelf as a silent threat to wrongdoers, but they're meant to be used, and as they're used, the agencies that are using them will want to use them more, seeking out more cases of wrongdoing, redefining wrongdoing along the way, in order to justify calls for yet more powers. The US' "War on Drugs" has gone through several such cycles. A law like this can very easily be the first step down a slippery slope. I'm no expert about French law and legal custom, but for your sake I sure hope that your constitutional court strikes this bill down, as granting too much extra-constitutional power to the law enforcement and intelligence apparatus.
                      I was married for two ******* years! Hell would be like Club Med! - Sam Kinison

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        Originally posted by slick_miester View Post
                        All joking aside, were I a French citizen, this new law would cause me genuine worry. As seen with the example of the 1996 Telecommunications Act, once a government's powers are increased, not only is it near impossible to roll back that increase, but that initial increase tends to lead to yet more increases in the state's intrusive powers. You have to remember that a government's currency isn't money, it's power. The powers granted in this new law are not meant to sit upon a shelf as a silent threat to wrongdoers, but they're meant to be used, and as they're used, the agencies that are using them will want to use them more, seeking out more cases of wrongdoing, redefining wrongdoing along the way, in order to justify calls for yet more powers. The US' "War on Drugs" has gone through several such cycles. A law like this can very easily be the first step down a slippery slope. I'm no expert about French law and legal custom, but for your sake I sure hope that your constitutional court strikes this bill down, as granting too much extra-constitutional power to the law enforcement and intelligence apparatus.
                        Problem is that, like with our own anti-terror laws, the excuses for such expansion are hard to ignore and are pretty palatable to the common man (or even just the angry or fearful man). Extremists provoke a response. I've discussed this before on just American expenditures in the war on terror and how we spend quite a lot of -illions and -illions for negligible or doubtful gain, and people will be quick to label you anything from anti-American to an Islamic apologists for pointing out that the cost-benefit analysis doesn't make as much sense. And that's even before we get into your Patriot Act legislation and the like.

                        But it cannot be denied that the law must reflect the will of the people, and for people afraid of terrorism, of being run down in the streets plus a strong response is often necessary. People are not beings of pure reason and logic. We are victims to our emotions, and the simple fact is that when it comes to protecting our friends and family, we feel a justified and understandable need to act.

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          Seb, can have my own opinions?

                          Originally posted by sebfrench76 View Post
                          101 , do you really believe that you're living in a different reality that the one I daily experiment?
                          If yes , good for you.
                          My worst jump story:
                          My 13th jump was on the 13th day of the month, aircraft number 013.
                          As recorded on my DA Form 1307 Individual Jump Log.
                          No lie.

                          ~
                          "Everything looks all right. Have a good jump, eh."
                          -2 Commando Jumpmaster

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Skoblin View Post
                            Good news: state of emergency is coming to an end
                            Bad news: state of emergency is being codified into law
                            That seems to be the general response to these emergency situations, doesn't it?

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Skoblin View Post
                              Good news: state of emergency is coming to an end
                              Bad news: state of emergency is being codified into law
                              Only partly I think?

                              The reason some the jihadi attacks have been limited is they were quickly shot by a police or soldiers. The State of Emergency has put more people with guns on the street. Not sure if that will unwind once the Emergency is called off.

                              It's not obvious the threat to France has dropped at all, so not sure why they are downgrading the threat response either.
                              Ne Obliviscaris, Sans Peur

                              Comment

                              Working...
                              X