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  • Another "whoops" for Sweden

    Fewer than 500 of 163,000 asylum seekers found jobs


    http://www.thelocal.se/20160531/fewe...ers-found-jobs

    Using figures from Sweden's employment agency Arbetsförmedlingen and migration authorities Migrationsverket, SVT reported on Tuesday that 494 asylum seekers who arrived in 2015 have managed to find a job to support themselves while waiting for their application to get processed.
    Looks like all that new blood that was supposed to keep socialism alive isn't turning out that way.
    Is anyone over there willing to admit that they might have made a mistake yet?

  • #2
    Not sure what this "Whoops" is supposed to be?
    You can't work without a work permit?
    You don't get a work permit as long as you're just an asylum applicant?
    About half of which are going to be deported (insufficient grounds for asylum) or should be turned over to some other EU country anyway?
    They're not EU citizens with automatic work rights?
    This is not America?
    "The Local" knows less about Sweden than it thinks?
    Alternatively: People — it's pushing an agenda here?
    Something like that?

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    • #3
      I also heard from the radio that in Germany, low-skilled jobs will be be set aside for the migrants, and that they will also be given priority in other jobs due to their status. Way to screw with your own native population, eh?
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Johan Banér View Post
        Not sure what this "Whoops" is supposed to be?
        You can't work without a work permit?
        You don't get a work permit as long as you're just an asylum applicant?
        About half of which are going to be deported (insufficient grounds for asylum) or should be turned over to some other EU country anyway?
        They're not EU citizens with automatic work rights?
        This is not America?
        Something like that?
        Really? Are you trying to say that the Swedish government is so slow that only 494 applicants have been approved since 2015, yet have not deported the rest yet? Does the Swedish government have such a bottomless piggy bank?
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Salinator View Post
          I also heard from the radio that in Germany, low-skilled jobs will be be set aside for the migrants, and that they will also be given priority in other jobs due to their status. Way to screw with your own native population, eh?
          Not in Sweden. Not yet at least.

          Germany has the largest low-skilled, low-wage sector in the EU. Sweden simply doesn't do low-skilled like that. That's been a political choice, and yes, it makes entry into the labour market for a lot of imigrants that much harder.

          As a consequence, the employment rate for imigrants doesn't reach 50% until after a full eight (8) years after arriving in Sweden. (The German figure for the same thing iirc is three years.) Total employment rate in Sweden is 82%, but only 67% for imigrants. (The figure I can find for US total employment is something like 62+% total, so there's that for comparison too.)

          Those political choices about how the labour market is structured certainly can be debated. In fact they are. (Did I mention "The Local" might have and agenda btw?) But "Whoops"? Not bloody likely. Except of course it's asumed everyone in Sweden is somehow an idiot...

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Salinator View Post
            Really? Are you trying to say that the Swedish government is so slow that only 494 applicants have been approved since 2015, yet have not deported the rest yet?
            Yup. It was a slow process, taking months if not years before. The sudden influx of 163K people pretty much halted it entirely. All avilable people and resources in 2015 were put on finding shelter etc. (Since you can't camp out in the Swedish winter etc.)

            It's only in the last month they have started working off the queue. And it's slowed by the fact that a lot of people end up in limbo here. Sweden won't grant asylum, since they should be in some other EU country according to the regulations in place. Except that's broken, and there are this slew of countries simple refusing — i.e. de facto demanding Sweden (and Germany) fix their problem for them, gratis for nothing.

            The upside to things right now of course is that the rate new asylum seekers turning up has become a trickle. (Should the trend hold the total figure for 2016 should end up below 30K — which can be contrued as a little too low even. The system is geared towards a certain level of annual immigration.)
            Originally posted by Salinator View Post
            Does the Swedish government have such a bottomless piggy bank?
            It obviously doesn't. Why do you ask? You clearly understand things like that.

            The whole situation would have been a zinch, considering the size refugee problem in relation to total size of the EU. Except of course, at this juncture it has turned out that working together to handle an acute situation is beyond the capability of the EU.

            Anyone worry about soverignity due to EU membership should take note of the situtation, since it amply demonstrates how little the EU actually can do — both for the lack of any coordinated effort, and for the obvious lack of coercion the EU is capable of, should anyone actually worry about that. (They don't, not when IN the EU, unless they're British apparently.)

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Johan Banér View Post
              Yup. It was a slow process, taking months if not years before. The sudden influx of 163K people pretty much halted it entirely. All avilable people and resources in 2015 were put on finding shelter etc. (Since you can't camp out in the Swedish winter etc.)

              It's only in the last month they have started working off the queue. And it's slowed by the fact that a lot of people end up in limbo here. Sweden won't grant asylum, since they should be in some other EU country according to the regulations in place. Except that's broken, and there are this slew of countries simple refusing — i.e. de facto demanding Sweden (and Germany) fix their problem for them, gratis for nothing.

              The upside to things right now of course is that the rate new asylum seekers turning up has become a trickle. (Should the trend hold the total figure for 2016 should end up below 30K — which can be contrued as a little too low even. The system is geared towards a certain level of annual immigration.)

              It obviously doesn't. Why do you ask? You clearly understand things like that.

              The whole situation would have been a zinch, considering the size refugee problem in relation to total size of the EU. Except of course, at this juncture it has turned out that working together to handle an acute situation is beyond the capability of the EU.

              Anyone worry about soverignity due to EU membership should take note of the situtation, since it amply demonstrates how little the EU actually can do — both for the lack of any coordinated effort, and for the obvious lack of coercion the EU is capable of, should anyone actually worry about that. (They don't, not when IN the EU, unless they're British apparently.)
              I asked because it is clearly in the interest of all the European nations to to either block the migrants from entrance to begin with like how Hungary has done, or to expedite the deportation process before it becomes an economical free fall that cannot be stopped.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Salinator View Post
                I asked because it is clearly in the interest of all the European nations to to either block the migrants from entrance to begin with like how Hungary has done, or to expedite the deportation process before it becomes an economical free fall that cannot be stopped.
                Well, that's not going to happen. Reality will simply override it. Hungary can only get away with it as long as someone else picks up the necessary slack.

                If somehow still managed, it should be a European fast-track to REALLY getting collectively old and gray in a jiffy. Except maybe the French and Swedes. The Irish and Icelanders might be OK too...

                But I get that Sweden is The Devil in all this, if Hungary is supposedly the Example of Virtue here. Really, Sweden MUST FAIL at all costs under such circumstances.

                Otherwise the common interest would be to distribute this evenly. It was proposed, but no dice.

                And that's not even something to supposedly to do help Sweden or Germany out, but really to get the Greeks and Italians off the hook. But regardless if it's the Swedes, Germans, Italians or Greeks on the line, it has transpired that everyone is on their own and the "Visegrag group" will run and hide and hope like hell someone else does the responsible thing here.

                I mean, it's kind dumb to expect sympathy for Germany or Sweden here. (Sweden is pretty much still fine anyway — the events of 2016 if a temporary glitch simply threw a freak doubling of the demanded capacity at the Swedish asylum system, and the system held — Germany went for a four to five fold increase, for which it had no actual systemic redundancies, and so the Germans have been forced to simply wing it.) This is only going to be an actual problem IF the kinds of refugee figures we saw in 2015 turn out to be the new normal. If not...

                Somehow, one might perhaps have expected a smidge of actual sympathy for the Greeks? As if they didn't have problems enough already? But nah, Hungary et al. can't be bothered...
                Last edited by Johan Banér; 01 Jun 16, 01:43.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Johan Banér View Post
                  Well, that's not going to happen. Reality will simply override it. Hungary can only get away with it as long as someone else picks up the necessary slack.
                  Post-democratic Europe, eh?

                  The Hungarians, and everbody else who wants to, should 'get away with it' as long as that is what their people want.

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                  • #10
                    As usual the hysterical reactions bear little resemblance to reality.

                    This site details the actual number of applicants per month in Belgium.

                    http://www.cgrs.be/en/news/asylum-statistics-april-2016

                    Evolution
                    •In April 2016, the Immigration Office registered 1,300 asylum applicants in Belgium. Every person (including children) concerned by an asylum application is counted as an asylum applicant.
                    •This is a decrease of 5.4 % compared to March 2016 (1,374) and of 20.1 % compared to April 2015 (1,627).
                    This decrease is mainly due to a sharp decline in the number of asylum applicants from Afghanistan (from 2,176 in December 2015 to 184 in April 2016), Syria (from 1,076 in December 2015 to 208 in April 2016) and Iraq (from 494 in December 2015 to 53 in April 2016).
                    Unless Sweden is doing something radically different - their stats should show a similar evolution no ?
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Salinator View Post
                      Really? Are you trying to say that the Swedish government is so slow that only 494 applicants have been approved since 2015, yet have not deported the rest yet? Does the Swedish government have such a bottomless piggy bank?
                      No it doesn't, one of the declared aims of Islamic fundamentalists/radicals is that through large scale immigration of their low and no skilled they will cause such a drain on European welfare and benefit systems that it will generally weaken/destroy those economies.

                      Islam is brilliant at using all ploys and stratagems. Afterall, doesn't it say somewhere in the Noble Qur'an that 'Allah' is the greatest/best of all decievers/planners/schemers?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Wooden Wonder View Post
                        No it doesn't, one of the declared aims of Islamic fundamentalists/radicals is that through large scale immigration of their low and no skilled they will cause such a drain on European welfare and benefit systems that it will generally weaken/destroy those economies.
                        Yep, the notion that these migrants will be of benefit to the European economies is the biggest lie (delusion?) going.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Wooden Wonder View Post
                          Islam is brilliant at using all ploys and stratagems.
                          Is that all 1.6 billion of them or are there any exceptions?

                          It amazes me that poster on ACG can make comments about Muslims and Islam which, if make about Jewish or Black people (etc) would rightly result in that poster being castigated.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Gooner View Post
                            Yep, the notion that these migrants will be of benefit to the European economies is the biggest lie (delusion?) going.
                            There are [according to Islam] only two ways a Muslim can be 'certain' of getting to Heaven, no matter what.

                            One is by active and aggressive Jihad, 'in the name/cause of Allah'.
                            The other by migration to the dar al-Harb [the land of war aka the land where Islam and Sharia do not have control], and there to employ stratagems 'in the name/cause of Allah'.

                            The migration stratagems include the out populating of the 'host' population, in the current case by having [often] more wives, and almost always having large numbers of 'good Muslim sprogs/children' - ideally children brought up steeped in the traditions and divinely approved glories of Jihad.


                            EDM - There are always exceptions, and such exceptions are also criticised within Islamic texts. As a for instance, it is extolled that Muslims should not make real friends of non-Muslims, but that as a stratagem of 'advancing the interests of Islam', that deception/pretence may be used. Muhammad/Allah acknowledges that many of Islam's followers are either reluctant or luke warm about engaging vigourously in the promotion of Islam or Jihad, and they are criticised of being of less worth in the eyes of Allah - therefore by implication not being 'guaranteed' Heaven.
                            Last edited by Wooden Wonder; 01 Jun 16, 04:32.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by E.D. Morel View Post
                              Is that all 1.6 billion of them or are there any exceptions?

                              It amazes me that poster on ACG can make comments about Muslims and Islam which, if make about Jewish or Black people (etc) would rightly result in that poster being castigated.
                              Jews and blacks aren't waging global jihad.
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